Hot snakes handling

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A. gigas;4715652; said:
that's what all the people who are still alive will say anyways.. the nes that are dead aren't exactly able to tell their half of the story...

maybe that's true and maybe it isn't, but why take the risk?
Eneyone who keeps venomous! is takeing a Risk! Full stop!! But we get more experience over the years!! with the help of people who know allot more than we!! Its all about being comfortable with your ability to handle the situations dwa can put you into""
 
JONNY CICHLA;4715561; said:
Buddy very little risk in tailing cobra"s this young"" in my experience! they dont bite! its all bluff"" and if they do bite! its always a dry bite!!

lots of people into elapidae" cobra"s will tell you the same my friend!

Think that if you like. I have a very good friend who was hatching some egyptian cobra eggs. One of the eggs had pipped from the side where he couldn't see it. He reached in to pick up the egg and was bitten by a baby cobra while it was still half in the egg.

He ended up dead on the table, and a heart stick with epinephrine later, he is able to tell this story today.

True, you can get away with letting baby cobras hood on your open palm, and closed mouth strike... for a while. Eventually you will be proved wrong and it'll shock the heck out of you.

Hopefully you will listen to what I'm warning you of. In case you don't hear though... it was nice interacting with you. Rest in peace brother.

Chad
http://www.envenomated.com
 
The minute I saw your first post, I knew you were not responsible enough for a hot but I bit my tongue and hoped you were wrong. So far everyone that I know that used to think baby cobras didn't bite has been proven wrong.

You are right that venomous keepers take a risk but why make that risk so much bigger than it already is? This is not okay with me and it is people like you who end up spoiling it for those that are responsible.

You will most likely end up in a story similar to this one day...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8609577.stm
 
He is asking what experience with hots do you have, at least i believe
 
Baby cobras do inject venom.

JONNY CICHLA;4715561; said:
Buddy very little risk in tailing cobra"s this young"" in my experience! they dont bite! its all bluff"" and if they do bite! its always a dry bite!!

lots of people into elapidae" cobra"s will tell you the same my friend!
 
Okay, my experience is as follows:
5 years of hands on training with some of the states top herpeculturists in order to obtain my VRC plus several years after that once I obtained the permit.
I was the youngest person in my state to ever receive a VRC permit
I worked as the assistant curator of natural sciences in a museum for several years
I worked as a zookeeper at the Santa Fe zoo in Florida
I am currently studying herpeteculture which I hope to continue into a doctoral degree
I am working on a book on properly housing and maintaining venomous snakes
I am currently keeping 10 venomous snakes and a venomous lizard.
In the past I have kept or cared for over 30 different venomous species and have never once had an incident.


Now going back to that article I sent you, it is just an example of how irresponsible keepers are going to ruin the chances of much more responsible keepers getting a permit. Let's say one of these cobras turn around and bite you. You are so shocked that you drop the tail long enough for the snake to escape. You are too busy dealing with your new envenomation that the cobra slips away. While you are in the hospital now the cobra has plenty of time to explore, and let's say someone else gets bit. Don't you think that this would make the news and be fuel to those pushing to ban venomous? I know it is a hypothetical situation but given your attitude and thoughts, it is not an unlikely one.

It has been PROVEN that hatchling cobras can and will inject venom. Even if they don't do it often, it is like playing Russian roulette and there is no point. Also, ask any responsible keeper or handler if they would ever tail anything hot and under half a meter long- That is just plain stupid and will lead to bites. There is no reason you should have to tail them. Use a hook next time before you wind up dead.
 
And that has been proven wrong. end of story. they do inject venom straight out the egg

edit* chris beat me to it
 
Normally id keep quiet and sit back but this kind of keeping effects us all , if the only person to be hurt over such things was the actual owner id encourage more of them to free handle hots all the time and let Darwinism take its place , but most countries and such are 1 big snake event away from trying to enact laws to limit our hobby . Just plz be careful man .
 
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