second one is about as common in michigan as flying pigs ( if i saw one it would be in my tank ). i've heard they dont ship worth a damn and tend to drop dead reasonably easy until they are settled in. Thats just what i've been told though i only have personal experience with the standard black lancer and they did great until my heater leaked and then they didnt do so well.....so i'm back to a single female and no males and not enough cash to get another male for awhile.
both are neat species though.
jason