How Do You Guys Feel About Animal Experimentation

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D.Wolf said:
Heatherbeast unfortunately there isnt.. sorry I was little bit carried away :) i just wanted to say that human is playing god, but take away basic thing from them and they will soon extinct (well people who are living with nature will survive) while other animals will happily live on :) we are smart but very dumb at the same time :)

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I guarantee humans will not go extinct if you take away the basic things. you're stretching a little. I agree with you about poaching endangered species or the poaching of any animal for that matter. but under the right guidelines hunting helps the environment. but there are plenty of hunting threads that you can bump if you want to get into that. I'd rather not steer this thread in that direction

but what is your stance on animal experimentation? I don't think you gave a definitive answer but it seems like you are against it, is that correct?

and even if we go the route that you mentioned about using convicted inmates for human testing, there isn't enough inmates to go around. from what I understand, there are places that experiment on animals that go through hundreds of mice per month. if we used inmates, we'd have to build a prison next to any research facility and you'd run out of human subjects
 
UnstoppableJayD.. there is difference to keep fish dog cat and do everything to keep it happy or keep animals, gut open just to see if tumor they injected spreaded or not :) we are ready to kill everything on earth just to keep us alive..death is natural, noone will escape it and thats how it should be..healthy animals live, sick die and this is natural cycle.. what we are doing right now is overpopulating earth.. and we are coming to scenario from futuristic sci-fi movies - no animals, no forests, little water, desert all around (or ice, who knows)

SumoNinja..you are right, im highly against it..why innocent animals need to suffer for our good? There were nazi doctors back in world wars who did it on humans..unfortunately innocent ones but they did it without prob..
And yes there are volunteers who are willing to be injected for money

and lets say electricity goes out and doesnt come back..you remember that in Usa (think it was there) - first night it was funny, everyone in battery light..ask police about next night - people found out that store alarms dont work :) cities would be wiped out within few years while tribes in kalahari or jungles somewhere in amazonia wouldnt notice a thing :)






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UnstoppableJayD said:
I just read though this whole thread and a lot of great points are made... I am going to answer the question in the parameters of the content first. I have no issue with animal experimentation as long as it is regulated and done as humanely as possible... the advances that come from it are to important to not have happened.

That being said I find it hilarious that this topic came up on an aquarium forum and there are people strongly against it... as we all as aquarists are experimenting on animals every day... from simple stuff like what can be kept together or what food is best for the fish... to more advanced like hybridization etc...

Now before the counter argument comes up that you try to give you fish the most realistic biotope possible and do all the research first.. None of this would have been possible without the people before us experimenting on freshly imported animals and how best to keep them.
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I hear what you're saying about the fishkeeping thing, but it's different. we keep fish because it's a hobby and we want them as pets. it's not the same as experimenting on non human animals for medical reasons
 
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My take is that a monkey, dog, cat, pig or mouse living free does not give a single thought to the plight of their cousins being experimented on in a lab. I doubt they are in any way aware at any rate. Do our pampered pets actually care or get upset if when riding around with us in a car, they see a dog chained to a tree? Reduced to a gene survival level, it may well be that our "in-humane" treatment of non human species for food and in experimental labs is a positive Darwinian practice.

I often wonder how many humans think about the plight and living conditions of other humans..... same reasoning.. often we don't ........ it is only the humans who are educated and do not take life and all the great ness for granted... they look at the world and wish that no one suffered..... if you grow up protected and loved and secure it is hard to imagine the pain and suffering of someone who has never known this..... getting back to experimenting on animals...... it irks me and pains me ...to see the same experiments over and over... government funding supports this and they must keep the quoto going........ or the funding will stop.........
 
Warborg said:
Of course. Yes we are labelled as animals but I don't think we should be. Let's compare us to some animals. Can a Dog build a house made of wood and plaster? Can a cat make clothes to wear and keep warm? Can a Lion make computers and smart phones? Can a Monkey make a nuclear bomb? Can an Elephant see an upcoming meteor about to hit the Earth?

I'm sorry but we should be in our own class.
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That just means that dogs, cats, lions, monkeys, and elephants aren't human, not that humans aren't animals. You can't describe a living organism, which is also an animal, without describing a human. You can't list out attributes that mammals have, without also describing humans. You can't be a mammal, without being an animal.
 
D.Wolf said:
My statement about animal experimentation is too gory to post here..but i can leave a suggestion - prisons are full, use people inside for testing...and noone will bother about it or miss them..world will become a bit more safe and beautiful if pathetic human being will be forced to accept such way of thinking "prison = various gore test on people for better healthy future"

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Others have mentioned several problems with this, including that there's always the possibility that the person is innocent, but no one seems to have brought up the fact that it's not good science. There are hundreds, if not thousands or millions of variables that you can't control if you use prisoners for experiments. The idea behind scientific experimentation is that you hold all parameters constant, except for one, so that you can see that parameter's effect on the organism as you vary it. Really, the best way to do this is with animals. Labs usually get their animals from specialty breeders, who breed animals for this purpose, though invertebrates are often bred in the lab itself, from what I understand.

There's also the little detail of how people don't lose their rights, even if they go to jail. Jail is the punishment for their crimes. Them being in jail is them paying for whatever they did, so it doesn't make sense to subject them to cruel and unusual punishment as well.
 
If they have a life sentence or are on death row then who cares? Plus human experimentation has been in the past and continues to be done. You don't leave them in general population so I'm not sure how you don't control the variables.


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