How do you guys initially cycle your monster tanks?

  • We are currently upgrading MFK. thanks! -neo
There is more than one 'right way'... or should I say 'way that works'.

Let's rule out some fiction:
Old / aged tank water does nothing. The bacteria you are trying to get started aren't pelagic, they live on wet surfaces (sand, filter media, bio balls etc...) not in the water column.
All the petstore 'boxed' products are there to make money, not always help you out. Just because it says it will cycle the tank for you in a dose, it won't really.


Step back and look at the basics, then go from there:

The term "cycled" just means you have an established aerobic bacteria colony large enough to break down the ammonia (waste) from the given biological population (fish).

If you put in sand, old filters etc... that will have bacteria colonies established, it will help. As soon as you move stuff like that in, you need to continue feeding it ammonia (whether that be through fish or artifically adding ammonia). If you do not feed the colony, it will die. Also remember you need to treating it as a living creature (which it is). Don't give it a drastic temp of pH swing. Acclimate as needed.

The colony is continually growing/shinking directly related to the ammonia output of the biological population. If you add a small colony of bacteria, then you need to feed it so it grows. A safe way to do that is to daily add ammonia chloride. The colony will consume it. Daily water test prior to adding ammonia. If it's there, you don't need to add. Get it to a point where you figure out the right amount to add so it's all consumed by the next day. That is the sign of a stable aerobic bacteria colony. Instead of adding ammonia, start adding fish (slowly). At first, the colony will die off bit (which is good, better to have not enough fish to support the colony rather than verwhelm the colony with too many fish). As you slowly add fish, the colony will grow.


If you want to use fish to cycle the tank, run the system empty enough that is does an ammonia spike and drop off to zero on it's own. Then slowly add fish, letting the ammonia come up and go down before adding the next batch.
 
Zoodiver, I know you know your stuff but I think you're off base with the cycling products. SOME of them work, and MANY members here will tell you that from personal experience. The proof is in the parameters...
 
sand from another cycled tank + filter media from a cycled tank with the addition of seachem stability, works wonders...
 
Hello; I put many plants and snails from an established tank into a new setup right away. I run it this way for several days to more than a week. This gives time for the temperature to be adjusted, to make adjustments to the substrate and decorations, to check the function of the lights, filters and such. The plants and snails will produce waste and respiration products and will have BB on their surfaces. Adding a sponge filter or media, if available, from an established tank will have a good population of BB. Run a second filter on an established tank for a time that will be moved to the new set up. Then add only a small fish or two and wait or do the bottled ammonia and wait. The key seems to be adding fish slowly at first with some adjustment time allowed between additions.
 
Zoodiver, I know you know your stuff but I think you're off base with the cycling products. SOME of them work, and MANY members here will tell you that from personal experience. The proof is in the parameters...

Getting an ammonia spike to show up is different than getting an aerobic bacteria colony established. Alot of those product will spike ammonia, and then tell you to add fish.
The thought of "bacteria in a bottle" is kind of a joke. If it's an actual LIVING colony in the bottle, they need to feed on something. There are a LOT of misconceptions when it comes to understanding bacteria and it's relation to a healthy fish tank.
 
There is a company out there (Strata International LLC), but they actually make live bacteria cultures, and will ship them to you within 24 hours of being made on dry ice.

They make bacteria's for almost everything. They make bacterias that farmers add to their waste bins, and it will eat the waste away to 1/4 or what it started at. They make another kind of bacteria for ponds/tanks where it will eat the bad bacteria, and replace it with the good bacteria.

I have used it, and it's pretty awesome.

They are working on new stuff everyday.
 
Getting an ammonia spike to show up is different than getting an aerobic bacteria colony established. Alot of those product will spike ammonia, and then tell you to add fish.
The thought of "bacteria in a bottle" is kind of a joke. If it's an actual LIVING colony in the bottle, they need to feed on something. There are a LOT of misconceptions when it comes to understanding bacteria and it's relation to a healthy fish tank.

And there are a lot of misconceptions with "bacteria in a bottle" products. I'm not new to this dude, I understand how a "cycle" works. I do not work for Seachem and cannot explain to you exactly how Stability works, but the proof is in the parameters. I do know it involves the bacteria being in a "spore" form where it does not require food or refridgerarion.
It doesn't cause an ammonia spike (quite the opposite) and you will usually see your "cycle" completed permanently by around 7 days from SCRATCH.
Now how else do you explain dozens of members all over the world getting the exact same permanent results with this product? Even other mods use it... Ask JK47 for one. If it didn't work, we wouldn't waste hard earned money on it or continue to use it, period.
I suggest you do some more experimenting with a product before you jump to conclusions. Just because you don't understand how a product like Stability could work, doesn't mean it doesn't work.
 
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