How has the coronavirus affected your personal life?

[Ulu]

duanes While that is hopeful, it doesn’t allow me to to tell my kids they are safe. The truth is, I may be dead well before long-term side effects of any of these drugs are well known.

I grew up in the world of “heavy metal suicide (and) children of thalidomide” Sorry about the plagiarism but that is the case. These drugs may be much safer in overall terms than the cars we all drive every day. For me. Maybe all my great grandchildren turn out to have birth defects?

(It won’t be long, by the way. Three of my 8 grandchildren are working adults who now have significant others of the opposite sex. I already made a new row on the wall for the eventual baby pictures.)

What would feel significant to me is if we had good records on coronavirus cases, but because of politicization and criminal action, media bias, and medical complication, I don’t believe that we do.

Not that I think we’re going in the wrong direction. I do think we need a vaccine that is more proven, And we need some really solid evidence on when to use it.

The vaccines that I took back in 1960 turned out to have serious problems for some people. They all had a much longer test history than the COVID-19.

We don’t have official mask restrictions in our town anymore, but a lot of businesses have decided that they will keep the mask.

Consequently, when I do go out (rarely) I carry one with me. I decide whether or not I will wear it depending on the situation I am entering. I don’t personally I think it is actually protecting much of anyone from anything in my situation, but it is a social comfort to some people when they see it, and I am not interested in discomforting others with disease phobias, however mild.

 

[skjl47]

Hello; The covid19 pandemic has exposed some things we all likely would like some answers about. I will list just a few on my mind.
First is the effectiveness of the various masks and how can some sort of useful rating system be used for those sold commercially. I do get were were in a bind for a time and lots of make do things were tried. The panic stage ought to be over. I knew of the N95 type mask before the outbreak. I also think I knew there was a rating system for medical supplies, but had never checked into it much.
There may be valid studies already on the books somewhere which could be referenced. But if not, then lets have some sort of trials to drill down into what works and what is a waste of time. Some on this thread seem to be more in favor of masks so perhaps you already have sources of the information. I kept an eye out for such reports but have seen few.

Next thing on my wish list is some sort of way to find out which clinical treatments or medications are useful without the strings attached. Not only the ones which generate the more profit for companies, doctors or clinics.
For example I was jumped on for talking about taking extra aspirin after my Moderna vaccine shots. Well it made sense to me in terms of blood clots and I was already taking aspirin for years.
It would be of value to know if any of the other medications had value based on the merits of the medication and not all the noise from other things interfering. Maybe i wish for too much in that.

I have a couple other on my mind but such is the general idea.

 

[TwoHedWlf]

Appears our little blip was a Sydney Doctor who had already had one vaccination, but still caught it. Ran around to all the touristy sites around Wellington, but fortunately appears not to have infected anyone. Probably was just on the edge of being contagious when he left.

Was enough the travel bubble with Aus is closed though.

 

[skjl47]

Overnight Health Care: CDC director says vaccinated people are 'safe' and do not need to wear masks | Federal judge temporarily blocks Indiana abortion 'reversal' law | Fauci warns of 'two Americas' due to widening vaccination gap (msn.com)

“How worried should you be about the delta variant? CDC director said vaccinated people are 'safe' and do not need to wear masks.”

“Reassuring words from Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Rochelle Walensky, who said Wednesday that fully vaccinated people are "safe" from the current variants and do not need to wear masks, doubling down on CDC guidance as some others call for a return to mask wearing.”

Hello; (my comments) This is good news for two reasons. One is I am protected from the “delta” strain and I do not have to wear a mask. I had no way to know for sure the vaccine would protect against the delta strain, but such is what I have been hearing the last few. The no mask needed matches my take so is good to hear. I did not plan to be fear mongered into wearing one.

If you read the link you will find that the WHO has a different take on the masks. Surprise, surprise, surprise as Gomer Pyle might say.



On a side note- I keep seeing that the immunity from vaccines is continuing and staying strong. No link today, but I probably can find one.

 

[dogofwar]

The risk from the (coming) Delta variant - or earlier strains of COVID - is primarily to people who are not vaccinated. 99.5%+ of COVID deaths that are occurring are to people who have not been vaccinated. How do we know this? Probably the most rigorous tracking and monitoring program in US history.

So the idea that we lack "good records" is just plain wrong and spreading doubt that we really don't know what is going on adds to the chorus that is spreading misinformation and fear that is convincing way too many to not get vaccinated and remain vulnerable : "What would feel significant to me is if we had good records on coronavirus cases, but because of politicization and criminal action, media bias, and medical complication, I don’t believe that we do."

Tens of thousands of people participated in clinical trials for COVID vaccines before they were made available. And "these vaccines have undergone and will continue to undergo the most intensive safety monitoring in U.S. history. This monitoring includes using both established and new safety monitoring systems to make sure that COVID-19 vaccines are safe." Read more here: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html

It's also misinformation that that other "clinical treatments or medications" aren't being tested to treat COVID patients. They are. And - short of conspiracy mongering - why wouldn't they be?!

 

[Ulu]

Cheerlead away, because it is putting money in my pocket when people believe the media, telling them to believe the science. And if it helps them be healthy, so much the better. I don’t want people to be ill.

But Let the buyer beware.

As far as the “good records” go, you’re arguing in a circle: We know all this stuff, see, therefore we must have good records, because we know all this stuff, from the good records…of all this stuff…

Having a lot of records does not equal having good records.

Any scientific thing you hear on the news was approved for broadcast by some rich non-scientist, and reported by handsome, hand selected rich people, that usually sound like they all flunked out of math & chem before college, but clearly aced deportment, health, and drama.

So believe away, with that evidence.

I do not believe that the US government & corporations (who half the nations of the UN have been calling corrupt for 50 years) has suddenly become 99.9% sanctified and honest.

I’d have to be the worlds biggest flag waving idiot. All that lying about war, weapons, money, drugs and foreign governments has clearly not stopped.

Now we have decided to screw the whole world and print money like water. (Something we criticized the Chinese for doing more than once.)

Very interesting times if you’re not on the firing line.

 

[dogofwar]

Uh, OK.

Clearly you have a deep understanding of the vaccine monitoring program that is in place... and aren't just spouting baseless conjecture.

Cheerlead away, because it is putting money in my pocket when people believe the media, telling them to believe the science. And if it helps them be healthy, so much the better. I don’t want people to be ill.

But Let the buyer beware.

As far as the “good records” go, you’re arguing in a circle: We know all this stuff, see, therefore we must have good records, because we know all this stuff, from the good records…of all this stuff…

Having a lot of records does not equal having good records.

Any scientific thing you hear on the news was approved for broadcast by some rich non-scientist, and reported by handsome, hand selected rich people, that usually sound like they all flunked out of math & chem before college, but clearly aced deportment, health, and drama.

So believe away, with that evidence.

I do not believe that the US government & corporations (who half the nations of the UN have been calling corrupt for 50 years) has suddenly become 99.9% sanctified and honest.

I’d have to be the worlds biggest flag waving idiot. All that lying about war, weapons, money, drugs and foreign governments has clearly not stopped.

Now we have decided to screw the whole world and print money like water. (Something we criticized the Chinese for doing more than once.)

Very interesting times if you’re not on the firing line.

 

[skjl47]

Uh, OK.

Clearly you have a deep understanding of the vaccine monitoring program that is in place... and aren't just spouting baseless conjecture.

Fauci now says some fully-vaccinated people SHOULD wear masks (msn.com)

Quotes from the link:

“'I think there would be good reason to do that,' Fauci said. 'I mean, because as we've said so often, that vaccines are not, even as good as they are and highly effective, nothing is 100 percent.”

'”And if you put yourself in an environment in which you have a high level of viral dynamics and a very low level of vaccine, you might want to go the extra step.' “

“It came just two days after Fauci told a White House press briefing that masks are not necessary at all for fully vaccinated people.”



Hello; (my comments); here The above is part of the reason why some do not accept the statements from the rules makers as gospel anymore. The irony is Ulu and I do not always share a point of view, on this we do.
I thought about posting a link to a story of a 13 year old boy who died after getting a vaccine shot of an enlarged heart. I did not because the story stated the connection to the vaccine was not fully determined and likely will not be for maybe six months. At some point we may learn if the heart issues are related to one or more of the vaccines. I took a vaccine because of age and comorbidities with the understanding I may have unexpected side effects from the vaccine. I weighed the possible risk of a new vaccine against the risk if I became infected at my age.

I could go back to the numbers and show again how the young do very well for the greater part with an infection. One point is historically the side effects of vaccines and medications has taken time to show up. Ulu is correct on that for sure. The jury is still out for these new vaccines specifically made for the new virus. I get that similar sorts of vaccines for other corona virus have been worked on for years, but new is still new.

We out in the general public did not cause the experts and agencies to make stark about-face statements over the last year and a half. A persons credibility
cannot be taken away by some other person, the person loses it by their own actions. You cannot take away Ulu's credibility with a comment.

It may work out the vaccines are as safe as you hope them to be. I do hope so as I made the wager and had the shots. Thing is those who decide to wait and see may or may not be making a good wager, but they like me ought to get the option to make a choice.

 

[Ulu]

Uh, OK.

Clearly you have a deep understanding of the vaccine monitoring program that is in place... and aren't just spouting baseless conjecture.

I think very little is clear to you, except things that you have been prompted to believe without question.

I really don’t think you have a good handle on human nature at all.

 

[dogofwar]

The bottom line is that people who are vaccinated against COVID-19 have a very, very low chance of dying - or even getting hospitalized - from COVID. And people who are not vaccinated represent nearly 100% of the deaths and hospitalizations from COVID.

Are there potential side effects to taking a COVID vaccine? Sure - they're rare but when you vaccinate hundreds of millions of people, you're going to get this. How do we know whether and how severe reactions and other side effects? Our federal and state public health systems are collecting the data and tracking them as part of a CDC program. Experts from the CDC and FDA (and, of course, researchers) are analyzing this data to make decisions.

So why would it make sense to continue to wear a mask and social distance in places with low vaccination rates? Because, while the current vaccines are exceedingly effective against the current variants of COVID, it's impossible to know to what extent they'll be effective against the ones that haven't yet emerged. And the relatively unvaccinated places in our country are prime places for existing and new variants to emerge and spread. Again, vaccinated people will likely be quite safe against the existing variants. But the new ones? Who knows. If everyone gets vaccinated, we won't need to find out.

Fauci now says some fully-vaccinated people SHOULD wear masks (msn.com)

Quotes from the link:

“'I think there would be good reason to do that,' Fauci said. 'I mean, because as we've said so often, that vaccines are not, even as good as they are and highly effective, nothing is 100 percent.”

'”And if you put yourself in an environment in which you have a high level of viral dynamics and a very low level of vaccine, you might want to go the extra step.' “

“It came just two days after Fauci told a White House press briefing that masks are not necessary at all for fully vaccinated people.”



Hello; (my comments); here The above is part of the reason why some do not accept the statements from the rules makers as gospel anymore. The irony is Ulu and I do not always share a point of view, on this we do.
I thought about posting a link to a story of a 13 year old boy who died after getting a vaccine shot of an enlarged heart. I did not because the story stated the connection to the vaccine was not fully determined and likely will not be for maybe six months. At some point we may learn if the heart issues are related to one or more of the vaccines. I took a vaccine because of age and comorbidities with the understanding I may have unexpected side effects from the vaccine. I weighed the possible risk of a new vaccine against the risk if I became infected at my age.

I could go back to the numbers and show again how the young do very well for the greater part with an infection. One point is historically the side effects of vaccines and medications has taken time to show up. Ulu is correct on that for sure. The jury is still out for these new vaccines specifically made for the new virus. I get that similar sorts of vaccines for other corona virus have been worked on for years, but new is still new.

We out in the general public did not cause the experts and agencies to make stark about-face statements over the last year and a half. A persons credibility
cannot be taken away by some other person, the person loses it by their own actions. You cannot take away Ulu's credibility with a comment.

It may work out the vaccines are as safe as you hope them to be. I do hope so as I made the wager and had the shots. Thing is those who decide to wait and see may or may not be making a good wager, but they like me ought to get the option to make a choice.