How long can a ray???

[fishcatch22]

go get'em brad!!!

yeah! kick... erm, scream their nuts off!

 

[T1KARMANN]

this is a dam shame

everyone trying hard to captive breed rays and DHL kill them

their is no god and anyone who thinks their is a god should ask themselfs WHY IS HE SO CRUEL

 

[dark_knights_99]

And not even to thier destination...
It took 5 days to deliver boxes back to the sender, IN THE SAME STATE!!!!

Do you have info if the rays are still alive?

 

[fishcatch22]

Do you have info if the rays are still alive?

post #46.

 

[Cimmel1]

I've been glue to this post for a couple days. This isn't the result I was hoping for. Sorry to hear about the rays. Hopefully you can work things out with insurance.

 

[T1KARMANN]

I don;t know what God would have to do with this.
Surely anyone experienced knows that DHL are probably the worst shippers there are for fish, followed closely by fed-ex Ups etc.
Why would anyone risk such valuable animals by using these carriers that have these kind of problems constantly. Friends of mine in the trade that use them for shipping very hardy fish like plecos etc have constant problems, and only use DHL because they are a bit cheaper and easier to use than the others and the fish are usually OK even after 5 days in the bags when there is a screw-up like this. Most overnight shippers won;t even knowingly accept perishables at all and certainly won't insure them.

With all due respect, IMO this is entirely the fault and responsability of the seller ( sorry, no offence, but that is just the way I see it) for using such unreliable shippers.
It also baffles me that now the seller " will fight to get the buyer back his money"
That's very nice but doesn't seem quite right to me. Every seller that I know of on these boards guarantees at least alive arrival. The rays never even arrived at their destination so how can the buyer be in any way liable for any problems to this point? Why should the buyer be out of $$$'s or have to wait an extended period of time for a replaement or a refund?
Surely it is encumbant upon the seller to make this right for the buyer whether DHL coughs-up or not. Anything less surely undermines the confidence of other potential buyers in the wisdom of buying from this source.
Rays should only be shipped airport to airport same day service, it costs about the same and obviously has far fewer risks attached. Anything else is reckless risk taking on the part of the seller.
Rays often don;t 'travel' well in the first place, this is one of the ( many) reasons I stopped selling rays.
I do not mean to give any offence by this post but am simply calling it as I see it.

i do agree with some of the points mainly the buyer shouldnt have to wait for his money back and should be fefunded ASAP and it down to the seller to fight DHL for the refund

their is no need to prove the rays didnt make it to their destination as the buyer has them back the sellers responsabilaty for the rays ends when they have reached their final location and they are alive and in good health

i know this is a bad thing to talk about at this point but i feel the buyer should be refunded

 

[stingrayguy]

Hello. The buyer needed me to ship DHL. Or Fed-ex. Ive only heard good things about dhl. The rays would have been fine. If there by next day 10:30AM. The buyer will get his money back! I wanted to ship airport to airport. Buyer was not able to.

 

[fishcatch22]

Hello. The buyer needed me to ship DHL. Or Fed-ex. Ive only heard good things about dhl. The rays would have been fine. If there by next day 10:30AM. The buyer will get his money back! I wanted to ship airport to airport. Buyer was not able to.

exactly. this guy is too good with his rays to be at fault.

 

[Gumby79]

Hello. The buyer needed me to ship DHL. Or Fed-ex. Ive only heard good things about dhl. The rays would have been fine. If there by next day 10:30AM. The buyer will get his money back! I wanted to ship airport to airport. Buyer was not able to.

This has been definatly a very unfortunate series of events, but I'm sure all of us that have been following this post have learned some lessons here. I was all for the buyer getting an immediate refund and wondering why it hadn't happened. But if the buyer does decide he doesn't want to use the shipper recommended by the seller, all the details surrounding that and the live arrival guarantee should be planned for and worked out prior to the transaction. But for both parties involved I hope it all works out and DHL coughs up the money.

I think people should learn from this though and plan ahead so that things like this don't happen and no one has to get screwed, because I've been there and I know it sucks.

 

[stingrayguy]

This has been definatly a very unfortunate series of events, but I'm sure all of us that have been following this post have learned some lessons here. I was all for the buyer getting an immediate refund and wondering why it hadn't happened. But if the buyer does decide he doesn't want to use the shipper recommended by the seller, all the details surrounding that and the live arrival guarantee should be planned for and worked out prior to the transaction. But for both parties involved I hope it all works out and DHL coughs up the money.

I think people should learn from this though and plan ahead so that things like this don't happen and no one has to get screwed, because I've been there and I know it sucks.

ALL will work out just fine.. The sad part is two little leos had to loose there lives!