How much would 6" female fastae worth?

[AQUAMONSTER]

You have to know the bloodline to pay top dollar for any fish. I think her color is very nice in the pics. Around albany a true RT with poor color and no clue of bloodline goes for $60 at around 5 inches. If I was interested in her I would pay $70+.

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[the animal guy]

They are using UK as a reference to the quality. Everyone that is into Festae knows that UK had awesome bloodlines and quality....that is all. All they are trying to convey is the origins of the fish so a potential buyer will know the quality is there. What I am getting from your post animal guy is that you can tell the quality of the fish without knowing it origins....Do you have ESP or something similar when you buy fish? Or do you like to come in and try to derail as many threads as you can? Looks to me like you talk in circles half the time. Not trying to flame you but....

I know what u mean, and I do talk in circles; U are right. Because I see and speak from all aspects and not from one angle. I don't choose a side and deny other truths. I see things as a whole.

And I do know a nice fish for me when I see one. simple as that.

And UK don't make the fish. Nature/god make the fish..

To me "who is the breeder" is more to do with how the parents look like, rather than if the breeder is famous or a very active member or anything. And I do get that you can look at the fish and obviously decide for yourself if its the look you want. Nothing wrong with it. Genetics can never be "inferred" by looking at the fish: we are left with believing the person who say they are wild caught, or came from so and so breeder. The ultimate test is how the fish looks like (to me). Of course it helps to know if it was bred from good parents, or if its progeny of wild festae and I personally attach a premium to that.


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[the animal guy]

In this video I just threw in this new 3.75" Festae. Do I need to tell anyone the seller or where it came from for it to be visible? Or is it not a Festae if I don't mention all the man made theories?

Anyways, for a small fish that's yet to fully develope or adapt, it is real nice for me.
It is from wild parents. Meaning it is a random Festae from random parents. Not quality selected nor line bred. Just fresh a strong fish.
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[Freshwaterpredators]

To me "who is the breeder" is more to do with how the parents look like, rather than if the breeder is famous or a very active member or anything. And I do get that you can look at the fish and obviously decide for yourself if its the look you want. Nothing wrong with it. Genetics can never be "inferred" by looking at the fish: we are left with believing the person who say they are wild caught, or came from so and so breeder. The ultimate test is how the fish looks like (to me). Of course it helps to know if it was bred from good parents, or if its progeny of wild festae and I personally attach a premium to that.


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I do agree that its more about the fish and not the owner. but in this case i know first hand the quality of the female Umbeeking used to breed this fish. As i had her previous to Chris owning her and spawned her. So i have seen the quality of fry produced by that female and observed them grow out and was able to observe them again in Umbeekings possession when he spawned her with his male. and there is alot of consistency in how the fry turned out every time, every spawn reguardless of which male was used. Which either way both males were awesome specimans as well imo! I have sold majority of the fry i obtained from her with my male to Ira (The Wish List) Meaning there are probably a bunch of people out there right now who still have those bloodlines in their possession. A couple that come to mind are Buddha, and Flowerpower

And even if one particular Festae that was spawned by Chris was less than desirable it would still have the same genetics to pass on as all of its siblings Another thing is,everyone has their own price tags for fish. which is why reguardless of quality or price there will be debate! But there will also be plenty of people out there who will pay top dollar for top fish! just my .02

 

[bomillyiam]

My apologies to the O/P

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If this was my festae, I'll put a serious selling price for $80 while assuming she's worth $50-$100.

"Because what U see is what you will get. That's the actual truth."
Truth 101, What you "BUY" is what you get. What you see at 1 or 3", is not necessarily what you will get 12". Female festae can have spangling up to 4.5" and sometimes, though rarely into adulthood. Midas breeds start out gray wi/bars. Do they all end up that way? Festae change a lot based on many environmental factors/stressors. But one without bars will never grow any

"Quality is in the fish. Not the seller."
Honest and reliable sellers, sell quality fish. If a supplier sends them a dud they don't sell it, but give it away. If they have a reputation for consistently distributing healthy good stock then their name will become associated with what they sell. Consider your place of employment. You're still there because of the quality of your work. That's just life. Deal with it.

"It is always nice to know the parents of the fish. That's more important than who the seller. In seller you want trust. In fish you want quality. Two different things. Breeder and sellers are different too. Dedicated breeder relates to quality rather than popular or trusted seller. When U want quality fish, U go to the person that concentrates on that one breed and not just a seller. But it still comes down to the fish itself."
Most people buy from popular sellers because either they or another have their expectations met or exceeded over a long period of time and has chosen to patronize said seller. Has nothing to do with whether the fish are better. I will admit that some of those patronizers do go too far in their zeal and cause unwanted criticism to befall those sellers. I do have a problem when a seller himself boast to have "the best money can buy" blasting on their website.

"Whatever god gives in the fish. These are not materials you hand make."
But lots of you value wild caughts. U hardly get quality in wild caughts. They are just caught. Not quality selected breeds.
PURE UNADULTERATED IGNORANCE and also rather contradictory.
So "whatever God gives" is what we buy/breed in our artificial environments over what's in nature?

The following mutants are "just caught" and are up for adoption and will need new homes ASAP due to a severe lack of quality!

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[the animal guy]

My apologies to the O/P



"Because what U see is what you will get. That's the actual truth."
Truth 101, What you "BUY" is what you get. What you see at 1 or 3", is not necessarily what you will get 12". Female festae can have spangling up to 4.5" and sometimes, though rarely into adulthood. Midas breeds start out gray wi/bars. Do they all end up that way? Festae change a lot based on many environmental factors/stressors. But one without bars will never grow any
Everyone who keeps cichlids know how cichlids grow. U just got really anal with it. U should know what I mean.
"Quality is in the fish. Not the seller."
Honest and reliable sellers, sell quality fish. If a supplier sends them a dud they don't sell it, but give it away. If they have a reputation for consistently distributing healthy good stock then their name will become associated with what they sell. Consider your place of employment. You're still there because of the quality of your work. That's just life. Deal with it.

I assume everone should sell normal decent fish and non deformed or defected fish. Quality is another level.

"It is always nice to know the parents of the fish. That's more important than who the seller. In seller you want trust. In fish you want quality. Two different things. Breeder and sellers are different too. Dedicated breeder relates to quality rather than popular or trusted seller. When U want quality fish, U go to the person that concentrates on that one breed and not just a seller. But it still comes down to the fish itself."
Most people buy from popular sellers because either they or another have their expectations met or exceeded over a long period of time and has chosen to patronize said seller. Has nothing to do with whether the fish are better. I will admit that some of those patronizers do go too far in their zeal and cause unwanted criticism to befall those sellers. I do have a problem when a seller himself boast to have "the best money can buy" blasting on their website.

Man you don't know. Im not gonna sa any names but I got bad fish from the most popular reputable seller. U dont know.

"Whatever god gives in the fish. These are not materials you hand make."
But lots of you value wild caughts. U hardly get quality in wild caughts. They are just caught. Not quality selected breeds.
PURE UNADULTERATED IGNORANCE and also rather contradictory.
So "whatever God gives" is what we buy/breed in our artificial environments over what's in nature?

The following mutants are "just caught" and are up for adoption and will need new homes ASAP due to a severe lack of quality!

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Sure buddy.

I can't help u to feel how you feel. If it turns you on from knowing the seller then that's your thing.

haha.

Poor things.. Some of yall are so easy to be fooled.

 

[bomillyiam]

AG,
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I'm defending a seller or someone in particular. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Seller is a very general term and I was only speaking in general terms regarding why some people put emphasis on where their fish came from. I never said that's how I felt. In all actuality, you made a few valid points.
It is painfully obvious that you feel you have been burned. I've been in your shoes before. So I know very intimately how you feel.
Griping and bitterness is only hurting you. You nor I can convince those that haven't been burned by our sellers that said seller is dishonest, just as I wouldn't able to convince anyone who holds you in high regard that you are untrustworthy.

The conclusion to your post regarding F0 fish was why I was compelled to respond. You obviously haven't had long term exposure to true F0's. The only advantage to owning captive bred Festae over F0 is in regards to parasitic/bacterial infections and responsiveness to the owner.


Now to the O/P. There are some who would pay from $55-$125 for an unproven female. Some who won't. Depends on what an individual buyer wants to or can afford to pay. Females are hard to come by so she has some innate value. If she is a proven breeder, then someone may be willing to pay $125 or more.
Most experienced keepers/collectors won't pay much unless they could see offspring.

 

[FlatFishLeo]

Supp Buddy,

I'll swing by and grab her, I have the perfect mate for her and a 180 she can grow up in till she's ready to be bred again! Message me! Can't wait to see your collection!

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