funny thing i asked him if i was getting a tank stand and canister filter. it was at a lfs that i just go to to get supplies. they never seem to be to knowledgeable when i go there but ne way the owner happen to b there so i made and offer of 20$ not wanting to insult him he laughed and said do u know what this is I said I do do u know what this is. he said well u know what they go for then. i said i sure do 10-15$. You have a really really really low quality fh. we went back and fourth i just walked out shaking my head. as i look at this fish i see trimac