How to do a large water change?

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Reckless advice. If I didn't bother with water conditioner, I would have a tank full of dead fish after a large scale water change.

Taken from the following site EPA site: http://www.epa.gov/region9/water/chloramine.html



I know that there are some people that think the recommendation to use water conditioner is a scam, but I know first hand the results of not conditioning water and know people who have lost an entire tank for not treating tap.



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For those of you running drip systems, is your water treated with Chlorine or Chloramine?

I have heard that chlorine isn't a problem for most drip systems because it will burn off quickly enough, but chloramine is much more stable (that's why a lot of water treatment plants are starting to move away from using chlorine and instead using chloramine- see link above). My concern is that the chloramine would build up and harm the fish. I wouldn't be comfortable setting up a drip unless I also had some sort of automated doser of conditioner. (My tap is treated with chloramine).

I honestly thought the reason chloramine was used is because it has a lower freezing temperature then chlorine which is needed for outdoor water facilities. Also thought that chloramine is just chlorine bonded with ammonia. The filter guys sell a chloramine filter package for drips and also have test kits they sell for checking. This is exactly what I ran on an 800+ gallon system. 1 sediment filter and 2 chloramine filters. 75-80 gallons a day.

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i recently had a huge failure with my water topper/drip system. One of my overflow hoses sprung a leak, which caused the topper to keep filling the water, a week later i step on wet carpet :( tank is now all disassembled and new flooring going in. I have to rebuild the sand as it is all water shot now also. I had a timer on the topper/drip to only have the water on for 30 min at a time, but that was till enough to create a huge mess.
 
well i never have any problems using straight tap water here in the uk, i never have and see it as a waste of money for me and my cichlids... obviously lots will shoot me down for this but im just being honest. i do a 50% water change every week and my fish are fine some in there are over 3 years old. ive kept an oscar for 7 years before using this method... de-clorinator is propergander spread the word!-) lol.... or maybe i just have good tap water.
 
my water...
Parameters tested in the UK What it means Amount allowed (PCV)
Hydrogen ion (pH) This is the measure of the acidity or alkalinity of water. 6.5 – 10.0 pH units
Colour This is an aesthetic requirement - water should be clear and bright, but may occasionally show a slight reddish or yellowish tint caused by iron from iron mains. This is not harmful to health. A common cause of discolouration is corrosion of iron mains. Programmes of work are in place to replace corroded mains. 20 mg/l Pt/Co
Turbidity Sometimes water appears milky because of air bubbles. This is not harmful and if the water is left to stand for a few minutes it will clear from the bottom upwards. A more stringent limit is set at treatment works to ensure the process is operating effectively. 1 Formazin turbidity units (at treatment works)
4 Formazin turbidity units (at customer taps)
Dilution odour

Dilution taste

These are quality control tests to measure the level of odour and taste and are carried out by specialist testing panels. Dilution number 3 at
25 °C
Conductivity By passing an electric current through water, water companies can measure the level of mineral salts it contains. 2500 µS/cm at
20 °C
Residual Free Chlorine Chlorine is added to water to remove any bacteria and other micro-organisms present in the raw water. Some remains as residual free chlorine to maintain wholesome water as it passes through the system and to the tap. We aim to keep levels at customers taps low to minimise associated taste and odour. 2500 µS/cm at
20 °C
Coliform bacteria
Escherichia coli
Clostridium perfringens
Enterococci These are bacteria which can be found sometimes in untreated raw water. Disinfection during treatment removes them. However, they may sometimes appear in tests in small numbers, although follow-up tests usually show that the mains water is satisfactory. Their presence in samples triggers immediate investigative work.
0/100 ml
0/100 ml
0/100 ml

0/100 ml

Colony count
2 day at 37°C
Colony count
3 day at 22°C Small amounts of harmless bacteria can be present in treated water. Water companies check the numbers of these bacteria. The information obtained helps to maintain the efficiency of the water treatment process and the cleanliness of the water mains. Results compared against a long term average. Any significant difference is investigated.
Ammonium Ammonium occurs naturally in water from some sources. It does not cause health problems and where it occurs, it can be controlled or removed by treatment. 0.5 mg/l
Nitrite

Nitrate

Both these substances are found in water running over and through agricultural land. Concentrations in the raw water above the amount allowed are reduced by treatment or blending.
0.1 Mg/l at treatment works
0.5 mg/l at customers’ taps

50 mg/l

Chloride Comes from the rocks through which the water passed but also comes from the use of salt to de-ice roads or from seawater intrusion into underground sources. It is not harmful to health. 250 mg/l
Fluoride

Fluoride occurs naturally at varying levels. Some companies add fluoride at the request of local health authorities. None of the water supplied by Southern Water is artificially fluoridated. . 1.5 mg/l
Sulphate This occurs naturally in water and comes from mineral deposits. 250mg/l
Manganese

Manganese occurs naturally in water and is not harmful to health. 50 µg/l
Aluminium Aluminium occurs naturally in water and is also used to remove impurities from water in some water treatment works. Its use in water treatment is very closely controlled and continually monitored. 200 µg/l
Acrylamide
Epichlorohydrin These can arise from use of use of water treatment chemicals. Strict control is placed on the products we use to prevent this happening. 0.01 µg/l
0.01 µg/l
Vinyl chloride This can be found in PVC plastic pipes after manufacture. Strict control is placed on the product we use to prevent this happening. 0.50 µg/l
Total indicative dose
Tritium Measured for assessing radioactivity resulting from natural or artificial radionuclides in the environment. 0.10 mSv/year
100 Bq/l
Sodium Sodium salts occur naturally in water but can be added to drinking water by water softeners if these are not installed properly. Sodium at levels around 200mg/l will cause a salty taste in the water. 200 mg/l
Copper Traces of this metal usually come from property pipework, especially when newly installed. So called “blue water” events caused by problems with copper will be avoided through good practice in plumbing installation. 2.0 mg/l
Iron Iron is found naturally in some underground water. At sources where natural iron levels are high, treatment plants are provided to remove it. The use of iron in water treatment is closely controlled. It does not cause health problems. Iron is mostly found in samples taken from corroded iron mains and pipework. 200 µg/l
Lead Lead was formerly used as plumbing pipe material. Lead in amounts well above the standard can be a health risk if consistently consumed over many years. Water (especially soft water) passing through lead pipes can dissolve lead (plumbosolvency). Treatment is optomised to minimise plumbosolvency. 25 µg/l
Antimony
Arsenic
Boron
Cadmium
Chromium
Cyanide
Mercury
Nickel
Selenium These substances are rarely found in drinking water. 5 µg/l
10 µg/l
1.0 mg/l
5 µg/l
50 µg/l
50 µg/l
1 µg/l
20 µg/l
10 µg/l
Trihalomethanes Trihalomethanes (THMs) derive from the combination of chlorine with organic matter. Treatment is carefully controlled to limit formation of trihalomethanes. 100 µg/l
Carbon Tetrachloride
Sum of Trichloroethene +
Tetrachloroethene
Benzene
1,2 Dichloroethane These are solvents which can arise from industrial processes but can be removed during treatment. Water companies work with the industries themselves to ensure they do not reach the water supply in the first place 3 µg/l
10 µg/l

1.0 µg/l

3.0 µg/l
Total Polyaromatic Hydrocarbons PAHs are wide spread in the environment and have been detected in food, air and water. They can arise in very low levels from old coal tar or bitumen lined pipes. These are no longer used but some remain in the system. 0.10 µg/l
Benzo 3, 4 Pyrene A PAH 0.010 µg/l
Aldrin
Dieldrin
Heptachlor
Heptachlor epoxide

Other Individual Pesticides

Total Pesticides Water companies test for various pesticides which may be used in their areas and may be present in water. These come from their use by farmers, local authorities, gardeners etc. The traces found are no threat to health, being far lower than the limits which government medical advisers say would be necessary to protect health, but water companies are nevertheless taking steps to remove even these minute traces.
0.03 µg/l
0.03 µg/l
0.03 µg/l
0.03 µg/l


0.10 µg/l



0.50 µg/l
Bromate Bromate can be formed during water treatment where ozone is used in the process. It can also arise from the use of hypochlorite when this is used as a disinfectant treatment chemical. Strict control is placed on specification of hypochlorite used in water treatment and ozonation is carefully controlled to limit bromate in treated water. 10 ug/l
Cryptosporidium This is a microscopic parasite that is present in the environment. We monitor water supplies where there is a risk that the organism could be found in the raw water. Low numbers are occasionally found at works but these are well below the regulatory limit. Only measured at the treatment works
 
I think it's funny you got such a large tank but don't know how to do a water change. Im calling for pictures, is this a pool?

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I had a 120 gallon before I built this! :P

I wanted to make sure I was doing it properly.

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well i never have any problems using straight tap water here in the uk, i never have and see it as a waste of money for me and my cichlids... obviously lots will shoot me down for this but im just being honest. i do a 50% water change every week and my fish are fine some in there are over 3 years old. ive kept an oscar for 7 years before using this method... de-clorinator is propergander spread the word!-) lol.... or maybe i just have good tap water.

I don't mean to come across crass...all I am shooting down is your blanket statement about conditioner being unecessary for everyone, just because you haven't had any immediate casualties by not using it yourself. OP is in Canada, not the UK. If OP were your next door neighbor, then there's less of a problem because your experience and advice is relevant to him. But making a general statement about water conditioner being a waste of time and money without knowing what is added to his water in Canada is off base.

It sounds like your water is treated with chlorine, which can burn off quickly enough to not kill your fish, especially so if you are running a drip system. But the levels of chlorine in your tap fluctuates. If you happen to do a large scale water change when chlorine levels have spiked, your fish could be in trouble. If you are using Seachem Safe at $25 that treats 200,000 Gallons, treating 100 gallons of water only cost $0.0125 US$ (yes, that's just a little over a penny to treat 100G). Treating 1,000G will only cost you $0.125. That's a really cheap insurance policy. During heat waves, some water treatment plants may raise the levels of chlorine added during their treatment process so you are taking a gamble by not treating your water. Considering treating the water is so cheap, I'll take the insurance.

This is a great read on the subject: http://www.cs.duke.edu/~narten/faq/water-treatment.html

I use municipal tap water in my aquarium. What do I need to know?
Most people use tap water in their tanks; it is easiest (and cheapest) to use. Unfortunately (for aquarists), local water companies add chemicals to the water to make it safe to drink (e.g., by adding chlorine or chloramine to kill bacteria). More recently, concern about water flowing through (older) lead pipes has caused some water utilities to add pH-raising chemicals to the water (lead dissolves less readily in alkaline water). Consequently, tap water must be specially treated before it can safely be used in fish tanks.
Another potential problem to be aware of concerns variability in the chemical properties of your water supply over time (e.g., month-to-month). Some water districts don't have enough water themselves, forcing them to purchase additional water from neighboring water districts in times of shortages. If this water has a different hardness (for example), your tap water's hardness will vary as well. As a common example, high bacteria levels are more of a problem in summer than winter, especially in warmer climates. Consequently, it is not uncommon for water companies to use more chlorine in summer months to keep bacteria in check. Even such factors as local weather can have an impact; heavy rains may cause the hardness of your water supply to decrease, as local reservoirs fill.

In general, chlorine and chloramine are the two additives that cause the most problems. Note that these two substances are VERY DIFFERENT! Be sure you know what is in your tap water and treat appropriately.

What do I need to know about chlorine?
In the US, EPA guidelines require that tap water at any faucet contain a minimal chlorine concentration of .2 ppm, and stringently limits the concentration of bacteria (which may require more than .2 ppm chlorine to keep in check). Because chlorine breaks down over time, the chlorine concentration of the water that comes out of your tap will be lower than that put in at water plant. Thus, the exact concentration at your faucet depends on how far you are from the water plant, how long it takes the water to travel from the water plant to your house, how much chlorine is initially added, etc.
Chlorine at high concentrations is toxic to fish; at lower concentrations, it stresses fish by damaging their gills. Concentrations of as little as .2-.3 ppm kill most fish fairly rapidly. To prevent stress, concentrations as low as 0.003 ppm may be required. Fortunately, chlorine can easily be removed from water by the chemical sodium thiosulfate, readily available at fish stores under various brands. Sodium thiosulfate neutralizes chlorine instantly. Note that there are many "water treatment" products that are advertised as "making tap water safe". Read labels carefully. Inevitably, the ones that neutralize chlorine all contain sodium thiosulfate, plus other substances that may or may not be useful. If your water only contains chlorine (as opposed to chloramine), sodium thiosulfate is all you need. The most cost-effective treatments use only 1 drop per gallon of water. Most other water treatments are much more expensive in the long-term; they may require a teaspoon of treatment (or more) per gallon!

Chlorine is relatively unstable in water, escaping to the atmosphere on its own. Water left in a bucket (or tank) with adequate water circulation (e.g. filter or airstone) will be free of chlorine in 24 hours or less.

Many netters (justarn, they are talking about you!) report that they perform partial water changes without ever treating their tap water to remove chlorine. Keep in mind that even though fish show no APPARENT ill-effect from untreated water, that doesn't mean that the chlorine isn't stressing your fish. How much stress depends on how much chlorine is introduced to the tank, which depends on many factors (including the percentage of new water added). Because chlorine removers are so cheap (pennies per usage), the insurance they provide should not be passed up.

What do I need to know about chloramine?
One problem with using chlorine to treat water is that it breaks down relatively quickly. Another concern with the use of chlorine is that it can combine with certain organics (that may or may not be present in your water) forming trihalomethanes, a family of carcinogens. Consequently, many water companies have switched from using chlorine to using chloramine. Chloramine, a compound containing both chlorine and ammonia, is much more stable than chlorine.
Chloramine poses two significant headaches for aquarists. First, chlorine-neutralizing chemicals such as sodium thiosulfate only neutralize the chlorine portion of chloramine, neglecting an even bigger problem: deadly ammonia. The consequences can be devastating to fish. Although a tank's biological filter will (eventually) convert the ammonia to nitrate, the time it takes to do so may be longer than what your fish can tolerate.

The second problem relates to water changes. One of the primary reasons for doing regular water changes is to remove nitrates that build up. If your replacement tap water contains ammonia, you'll be putting nitrogen right back into your tank and it will be impossible to reduce the nitrates below the concentration in your tap water. Fortunately, tap water concentrations are relatively low (1 or 2 ppm); you are more likely to have a much higher concentration of nitrate in your tank.

Chloramine can be safely neutralized through such products as Amquel, which neutralize both the ammonia and chlorine portions of the chloramine molecules. The neutralized ammonia will still be converted to nitrates via a biological filter.

Another method for neutralizing chloramine is to age it while simultaneously performing biological filtration. For example, get an appropriately-sized (plastic) garbage can, fill it with tap water, dechlorinate it with sodium thiosulfate, and then connect an established biological filter to it. Just as in your tank, the bio filter will convert the ammonia to nitrate, after which it can safely be added to your tank. Note: you must add sodium thiosulfate to neutralize the chlorine; otherwise, the chloramine will kill the bacteria in your biological filter.

Alternatively, the ammonia can removed by filtering the water through zeolite or carbon before adding it to your tank. [Note: folks report mixed success with this. If you have concrete (positive or negative) experience to report, please notify the FAQ maintainers.

Are there any other water impurities that I should be aware of?
Quite possibly. In addition to the additives described above (chlorine & chloramine), municipal water may (or may not!) contain other elements that the aquarist may need to know about about. Water in some locations actually contains nitrates. In some places, water contains elevated concentrations of phosphates (1 ppm or more). High phosphate has been linked to algae problems, and a comprehensive algae control strategy may require removing phosphates. High levels of iron (1 ppm or more) have also been linked to thread algae. Consult the algae section of this FAQ for more details.
How do I find out just what my local water company is adding to the water?
The quick answer is to ask someone who knows. A local fish store (if they reside in the same water district as you do) should be able to tell you. Alternatively, call your local water utility. Ask to speak with the "water chemist". Tell them you are an aquarist and want to know about the pH, GH, and KH of your water, as well as how much the water characteristics vary from month to month. Finally, (in the US) if you really want details, have them send you a copy of the periodic water report they are required to generate for the EPA. It contains a detailed listing of exactly what your water contains and in what concentrations (e.g., iron, nitrates, phosphates, etc.). By law, the report is available for public inspection.
 
very enlightening, i withdraw my irresponsible statement and i am now thinking of looking for a treatment thats within my budget... if Seachem Safe is available in the uk i may well invest in some. we have a product called aquasafe that i know off which would be an obscene cost with my relatively small 300g let alone a pond... i would advice adding the de chlorinator gradually as you refill though!

thanks for that aldiaz33
 
1) Use a pump (or large diameter siphon hose) to remove water from the tank. Extra points for recycling the water to a garden or lawn!

2) Add chlorine/chloramine remover (I use Chloram-X powder..which doesn't smell like death...but Safe is also cost-effective).

3) Refill tank. I use a garden hose from my utility sink. I built a PVC "U" with a ball valve that allows me to hang the hose on the side of the tank as it re-fills.

Done and done.

Matt
 
Seachem safe is available in the uk, but ive not seen it in the larger sizes I see here. Its probly more expensive here than in US but its very cost effective. Prime is very cost effective compared to most treatments and safe is even better again. I dont think chloramine is used in my part of the country, just chlorine. Even so I wouldnt want to take the risk!

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Chloramines are created when chlorine binds to certain compounds in the water, so even if your water is treated only with chlorine there may still be chloramines present. I'm on my phone so can't be bothered searching for it, but if you search my posts for "chloramine" you should be able to find the explanation I copied from a guy on our local forum who is very well informed on the subject.

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