How's mbu with others ?

[rodger]

Not sure of the significance of showing the Mbu with the Dovi fry? They are too small to be recognized as a food source, so that hardly shows his mild mannered temper.

Edit: He is a beautiful fish. I don't want to sound negative, just an observation / question.

 

[MyGiants]

Not sure of the significance of showing the Mbu with the Dovi fry? They are too small to be recognized as a food source, so that hardly shows his mild mannered temper.

Edit: He is a beautiful fish. I don't want to sound negative, just an observation / question.

What other big fish can you think of that could be put into a tank full of 4 week old cichlid fry and not eat any of them. MBU Puffers are suppose to be this vicious fish that should be kept alone. MBU puffers don't eat fish they eat hard shell food items snails clams crayfish. Only once when I had him did he injure another fish by accident. A Bichir had piece of frozen shrimp halve way swallowed and the puffer went to grab it and bit down on the Bichirs head.

Saw you moved the Mbu to the 300gallon... did you trade it ? Most of the vids I saw were 2010 time period.

When I had him I moved him back and forth from the that 100g the fry are in to the 300g. He mostly lived in the 300g. It died over a year ago his teeth grew too long it was effecting his ability to eat he got to 22" long

 

[calgaryflames]

Our mbu is not in a small box and don't understand why you make such a connection ? Please provide your thought pattern... I suggest appropriate research... Obvious information in print/internet or otherwise is largely anecdotal. I would track down the references in Aqualog "The puffers" by Dr Klaus Ebert if you want too avoid the "best of three argument", that is the definitive hobbiest guide, and suggest bigger fish can co-exist but the temperament of the individual puffer individual is more important than the "general approach" (exemplified by slednex11 post), also you need to think about the bioload and rapid changes in the need to overcome the effects of "messy eaters" and the effect on dissolved oxygen and sudden potential changes in water quality over the long term, not just now. Having said this, you also need to go further and look into the academic literature and the citations to make sense of that, as they were discovered and written about from 1899, so common sense suggests until you have assessed these potential issues before you mix the two for the long term. Mbu's live beyond 15yrs and are difficult to "flip" between tanks when they are large without major stress, I don't know much about rays, but in my mind they need wide tanks and very very good water quality. With Puffers, we have acquired quite a lot substantiated information.

Aqua logs are old and outdated for the most part . No idea about the puffer aqualog but the very nice skate and ray aqualog I have is a great book but very old and incorrect .you need not to educate me on filteration and basic knowledge . I'm just looking for a cool fish to be a tank mate with my rays .


Unless he mistakes one or accidentally bites a ray going after the same piece of shrimp they will work I'm certian. Unless I've got a really nasty mbu which I doubt ill be able to defy the apparent mfk puffer community . I know mbu puffer is a very intelligent fish I have been around fish my whole life it's my passion. From what I've seen so far the mbu I've over looked for so many years is very special just as my rays are. They deserve very large tanks I think it's unfair to try and keep fully grown specimens in anything less than 1000 gallons


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[PufferGhoti]

Aqua logs are old and outdated for the most part . No idea about the puffer aqualog but the very nice skate and ray aqualog I have is a great book but very old and incorrect .you need not to educate me on filteration and basic knowledge . I'm just looking for a cool fish to be a tank mate with my rays .


Unless he mistakes one or accidentally bites a ray going after the same piece of shrimp they will work I'm certian. Unless I've got a really nasty mbu which I doubt ill be able to defy the apparent mfk puffer community . I know mbu puffer is a very intelligent fish I have been around fish my whole life it's my passion. From what I've seen so far the mbu I've over looked for so many years is very special just as my rays are. They deserve very large tanks I think it's unfair to try and keep fully grown specimens in anything less than 1000 gallons


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I did not mention the ray aqualog. I mentioned that attainable references are available for people who are prepared to look. As you state you have no idea about the value or otherwise of the aqualog I suggested was a staring point to answer the dilemma you wanted advice on. Either you want advice or not. I agree that MBU's need to be accomodated in large tanks but do you put a 4 inch MBU in a 1000 gallon tank... The succession plan it what its about. Plus volume is not the same as space beyond 360 gallons you are on custom tanks which a lot of what this board is about. What is the best dimensions s more the question unless unlimited funds are available. Similarly I would expect the same discussion is with rays but maybe the height of the tank is less critical.

If you do any further reading let me know as I'm out of this thread given you appear to be referring to statement I have not made and have only cursory read my post or specifically replied to "get my gander-up".

 

[Master of Puffers]

Mbu are all wild caught "master of puffers " don't know what the difference would make if they were bred in captivity lol [/qotoe]

I do air quotes now!...Air quotes are cool

Perhaps your tanks are not large enough . Your not understanding. My mbu will not be crammed into a small box with rays that are always hiding under sand.

I never said you were...unless you can find a quote where I said that...My 18 tanks are currently big enough for my fish and I'm planning on buying or building bigger tanks as needed.

And that other thread I know those people also its the only time I've heard of this happening. I don't keep sand in my tanks so its not like theirs two eyes sticking up. He's going to see a much larger animal than him below and I doubt a big ray would just sit there and let a puffer bite at its eye . I'd like some responses from people who aren't cramming a massive fish into a small aquarium and actually hear the damage the mbu has actually caused to tank mates in their own homes and the conditions in which the individual mbu is in.

My experiences mesh with yours re fahaka and mbu in my fish-keeping past..What I did when I was an untested fish keeper is far different to what I'd do now unless an emergancy causes such a dramatic turn around in my tanks..

Have your mbu ever attacked or bitten other fish ?

neither my previous mbu nor my current mbu has...but my current mbu has one evil b!tch of a temper and I wouldn't trust him with an expensive fish buddy..my previous mbu was a few inches long when we first aquired him and was used to being around other fish and people and cats..

This mbu was caught as a teen puffer..he will only accept me as his feeder/cleaner...pufferghoti is tolerated ONLY as long as I'm in the area. Our fry have been repeatedly told not to put thier hands into a tank ..

You must be mistaken about rays also. lots are very active and rarely are laying still .

I know nothing about rays so unless you can cite me as being a ray expert ..I shall assume you know more about rays than I do..However I was responding to mbu/fish interaction rather than mbu/ray interaction...

hope that helps...

 

[PufferGhoti]

Specifically I was asking you to think about the long term nitrate spikes with respect to rays and oxygen depletion. I know it sounds complicated but your "best of three argument" and citing your buddies does not give a considered approach. Ask your buddies rather than a preconceived loaded question that was identified by page 2...

 

[calgaryflames]

Specifically I was asking you to think about the long term nitrate spikes with respect to rays and oxygen depletion. I know it sounds complicated but your "best of three argument" and citing your buddies does not give a considered approach. Ask your buddies rather than a preconceived loaded question that was identified by page 2...

Nitrate spike ? Do you keep fish ?


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[Master of Puffers]

Nitrate spike ? Do you keep fish ?

yes..salt, brackish and fresh water fish...

 

[calgaryflames]

yes..salt, brackish and fresh water fish...

Nitrate spike doesn't exists . A spike would be a very sudden increase nitrate doesn't spike its gradual .If anything your nitrite will spike and You'll get a very low nitrate reading.

A properly balanced aquarium will never have nitrate issues . But again keeping large fish in not large enough tanks i can see why you guys may have had issues. The resolution to this problem if you guys didn't know is to take care of your water. Very easy for even the very greenest of aquarists.


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[PufferGhoti]

Nitrate spike doesn't exists . A spike would be a very sudden increase nitrate doesn't spike its gradual .If anything your nitrite will spike and You'll get a very low nitrate reading.

A properly balanced aquarium will never have nitrate issues . But again keeping large fish in not large enough tanks i can see why you guys may have had issues. The resolution to this problem if you guys didn't know is to take care of your water. Very easy for even the very greenest of aquarists.


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That's called sampling technique, I assume you are proposing to have no "intrigue" in your tank that is supposed to be for puffers and rays on a long term basis, and you have perfect flow with absolutely no dead spots. lack of not knowing about localized nitrate areas and the effect of dilution leads you to believe that you are "bullet proof" as you have not responded to any appropriate concern or are prepared to do any research you feel and that "sniping" is the answer to your dilemma.

If you had got any kudos you would be reporting back on your science experiment by now positive or otherwise... Please don't throw mud rather or are you are a procrastinator who expects all thing to come to you with a silver spoon...

Nitrate spike ? Do you keep fish ?