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Conner;4311528; said:
It seems like both you guys are going way overboard with your drain pipe dimensions. If he's only going to be running 600gph, then he can get away with a single 1.25" drain pipe. If he wants to be safe, he could go with a single 1.5" drain pipe, or he could double up with 2x1.25" drain pipes.

And having 2x2" overflows that then combine into a single 2" drain pipe is going to flow the exact same amount as having 1x2" overflow connecting to a single 2" drain pipe. The pipe can only flow a certain amount of water, regardless of how many overflows open into it.

Look at this thread to get idea's for sizing your overflows and drain pipes:
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205645

You a mistaken and I can prove it. IF I plug one of the overflows guess what happens, the tank overflows. Why is that if like you said it flows the same? I will post a video since you clearly know what your saying and I am clearly mistaken. As far as flowing a certain amount of water your correct, but you fail to realize that my setup is a horizontal overflow so the 2 2" drains flow slower then the single pipe they are connected to because the pipe they are connected has a 20" drop making it flow faster.

As far as the 1.5 this might be fast enough for sure, when I said I would suggest a 3" is because if this being a horizontal overflow, which flows much slower. has very little drop then it will flow very slowly since there is no gravity. If you has a drop of like 10 to 20 inches then he could absolutly go with like a 1.5.

But why risk it if you look at the flow rate for 1.5 on horizontal overflow its close to 900gph. So what if he decided to upgrade to higher flow rate pump? or what if his drain gets partly clogged? Is it not better to go a little overboard for safety? I mean he is not going to be running this 3" pipe for a long distance, it would only cost like $9.00 more and be super safe.
 
I agree a little bigger is always better for an over flow but going from 1.5 to 3 is a bit excessive. It is a small amount of pipe so it might not be a big deal but some times space is a factor.

1.5" pipe has a 1.7 squar inch cross secion, 3" have 7squar inch! that seems like a bit over board if 1.5 is about right

Going to 2" is 3.14 so that doubles your cross section giving you a lot more flow without taking up much more room. Also if you are useing bulkhead fittings i'm sure that will save some money.

Another good idea on a side note to help with clogging in to put a Tee on the inside maybe with a strainer or something, this way you have twice the inlet surface area to pipe flow.
 
nfored;4311633; said:
You a mistaken and I can prove it. IF I plug one of the overflows guess what happens, the tank overflows. Why is that if like you said it flows the same? I will post a video since you clearly know what your saying and I am clearly mistaken. As far as flowing a certain amount of water your correct, but you fail to realize that my setup is a horizontal overflow so the 2 2" drains flow slower then the single pipe they are connected to because the pipe they are connected has a 20" drop making it flow faster.

As far as the 1.5 this might be fast enough for sure, when I said I would suggest a 3" is because if this being a horizontal overflow, which flows much slower. has very little drop then it will flow very slowly since there is no gravity. If you has a drop of like 10 to 20 inches then he could absolutly go with like a 1.5.

But why risk it if you look at the flow rate for 1.5 on horizontal overflow its close to 900gph. So what if he decided to upgrade to higher flow rate pump? or what if his drain gets partly clogged? Is it not better to go a little overboard for safety? I mean he is not going to be running this 3" pipe for a long distance, it would only cost like $9.00 more and be super safe.

Wow, ok, take it a little personally why don't you.

I would bet that if you were to completely remove one of the 2" overflows (practically impossible, although you could plug it, and then run new piping so only the one 2" overflow connected to the 2" drain pipe), that you could run a single 2" overflow, with a single 2" drain, and it would run perfectly fine. I'm guessing the way things are plumbed, there is an issue with turbulence causing loss of flow because of the dual pipes. Without seeing a picture of your setup, however, I don't really know why it would be that way. I'm simply guessing here, but since I've plumbed several large tanks, running higher flow than you do WITH horizontal runs, that maybe I could just possibly be on the right track. I am currently running dual overflows in my 125g tank, which are each handling over 800gph, with 1x1.25" pipe each. One of the drains runs horizontally inside the stand for 5 feet before dropping into the sump, and its running that volume of water just fine.

MOST aquarium setups that use a sump, have the sump housed underneath the tank. In that case, they are likely to have 20-30" of vertical drop, and anywhere from 0-6 feet of horizontal travel. That amount of horizontal travel (if only pumping 600gph), is NOT enough to need to increase the diameter of the pipe up to 3". As epond said, that is excessive.

The other problem with going to such large piping, is that with running only 600gph through it is going to cause it to be quite loud, as it will be splashing around the interior of the pipe more than it would in a smaller diameter pipe.


I also guess I don't understand what you're saying by "horizontal overflow". Unless you have a pipe sticking straight out the back of your tank that runs like 20 feet across the room before it drops down to a sump, it shouldn't have that large of an impact on the amount of water it can flow.


Here is the gist of what I'm trying to say: for someone only running 600gph, anything over 2" is excessive. Anything over 3" is just an utter waste of money and piping, UNLESS he plans on upgrading to a much larger pump later, in which case it makes sense to install the correct plumbing now so he doesn't have to redo it all later.
 
nfored;4310327; said:
Why not just put the drain at the level you want the water? also I think filter bags would work better in the situation. Is this for an above tank filter?

I agree with both of these points. If you want the water level to stay a certain height in the sump, then you should install the drain opening at that height, or else have a standpipe inside the sump that reaches the height that you want the water to be.

I also think filter bags/socks would be better than the vertical pads. There is less chance of channeling or of water simply running around the outside edge of the pads. Filter socks are cheap and easy to maintain.

aquaculture;4310330; said:
WHat gph should I have,tank sizre is 300 galloons? I ve read 600 gph is good for the bacteria to harvest everything from the water.

Also the inlet piping is 1 inch so what should the outlet pipe be? Iam thinking 1 inch also.

Above tank application.

For the outlet I was worried about not enough flow over the matrix.

You can do whatever gph you want. Slower gph will give the water longer contact time with media, meaning greater filtering efficiency. But higher gph will help keep more particulate matter suspended in the tank, thus making sure more is filtered out, rather than simply settling to the bottom of the tank.

For a 600gph pump, you're likely to have either 1/2" or 3/4" hose diameter. For the drain pipe, I would recommend 1.25", or if you really want to be safe (or plan on/think you might be upgrading the pump in the future) go with 1.5" or add a second 1.25" drain.
 
Conner everything you said makes since to me, but i believe this filter sits on top on the tank with water pumped up to it. So the over flow is only dropping a few inches back into the tank.

With that, 3" is still beyond neccacery with 2" being plenty safe.
 
epond83;4311724; said:
Conner everything you said makes since to me, but i believe this filter sits on top on the tank with water pumped up to it. So the over flow is only dropping a few inches back into the tank.

With that, 3" is still beyond neccacery with 2" being plenty safe.

yah, I saw that after my first post. But that makes a larger drain even more unnecessary. Even with a 600gph pump pumping at full capacity (i.e. 0 head pressure), it will only have 600gph.

With an over head filter sitting on top of the tank, he is going to have very little horizontal travel, and very little vertical travel before the water exits the pipe. Larger piping simply isn't needed, unless the filter is being kept somewhere other than right on top of the tank.
 
sorry for being an a** I am having a sh**y day and should not have brought it to my once place of inner peace.
 
Yah, okay.

My sump will be above the tank and along side it.

Iam worried about this because I did something similar with only 500gph on the 300 gallon but outisde and used a 3inch pipe as an outlet at the top of the "skippy filter", this ended up not being enough and I had to adda second 3 inch id pipe to have to filter not over flow.

Would it be better if the outlet was like the inlet of your sump conner, in that the water goes down in to the tank through a vertical id pipe?
 
aquaculture;4312126; said:
Yah, okay.

My sump will be above the tank and along side it.

Iam worried about this because I did something similar with only 500gph on the 300 gallon but outisde and used a 3inch pipe as an outlet at the top of the "skippy filter", this ended up not being enough and I had to adda second 3 inch id pipe to have to filter not over flow.

Would it be better if the outlet was like the inlet of your sump conner, in that the water goes down in to the tank through a vertical id pipe?

If you look at the drawing I've attached, either drain setup should work fine. I don't know why your skippy filter drain couldn't keep up.

With either drawing I've provided, a 1.5" drain should be perfectly adequate, provided you're not running pipe halfway across a room (and even then is should probably be adequate - 10 feet of horizontal distance only equals about 1 foot of head height).

Maybe try a single 1.5" drain, and if for some reason its having trouble keeping up with the pump, you can add a second 1.5" drain, and that should be more than enough to handle the water flow.

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nfored;4312094; said:
sorry for being an a** I am having a sh**y day and should not have brought it to my once place of inner peace.

No problem man. I've had a bad month, so I know how you're feeling.
 
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