HR 669 Update: July 1, 2009

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When you introduce broad swweping legislation like hr669 without a specific focus, unintended consequences violate the rights of citizens.

For example, the majority of invasive species that plague the US have been brought in by ocean liner bilge tanks, government initiative, and uninformed manufacturers.

Good examples of such are

Zebra mussel (brought to the US in the bilge tanks of oceanic transports)
Kudzu (brought to the US during the 20's to prevent soil erosion by the US government)
Day lillies, aka: Creeping Charley (brought to the US by beer brewers as it was used prior to hops as a clarifier)
Asiatic Carp (government inititive to clear out algae infestations in lakes and rivers)
Wild Hogs (brought to the US by everyone as an agricultural staple)

There are some animals that have been brought to the US by the exotic pet industry and have caused some harm, such as the pythos and oscars found in southern florida now a days, but there were zero restrictions at that time. As such, the states started mandating that certain species, proven to be invasive to the point of eco system destruction, are no longer aloud within the state and shall be destroyed.

HR669 would have crippled the US pet industry as it was written. Technically, there were many breeds of dog and cat that fell under it's purview, and rather than havin a scientist or scientific body make the determination on what was allowed and what wasn't, it was in the hand of bureaucrats.

And we know how well they make decisions for the american people.
 
dogofwar;3250172; said:
Introduced and non-native species, including ones that were pets, are undeniably a big problem.

Rest assured that there will be additional legislation to address the problem.

Hopefully it will be better crafted than HR 669.

But taking the approach that "any regulation in this area is bad" both assumes that what's currently on the books is perfect and ignores the reality of the threat to native species and habitats.


In which states? Not mine!

Any broad and sweeping regulation that infringes on the rights of responsible people is "bad"
 
I'm still not sure about this bill itself- i'm glad its almost dead

however

I'm for any measures to prevent hybridization from occuring as those can have deadly consquences to the environment itself or banning certain people from owning any animals for life
 
velanarris;3263723; said:
Yep, yours too. The entire US has an invasive species of one type or another that has affected citizens economically.


Invasive species, yes. Introduced by hobbyists, no.
 
i think a permit system should be attempted instead of blanket banning our whole hobby. basically, this is already in place. i think zoos/aquariums can keep whatever they want as long as they hold a certain permit/paperwork. if hobbyists could somehow prove they are responsible with a permit system, then in theory nothing would need to be banned completely
 
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