Hunter nabs largest gator in state history

[soulpatch]

10 pages of this thread...this isn't all about the animals place in the environment but the ethics of hunting.

No not really. The counter arguement against hunting was going into the wild to take out this beautiful creature. Many making that arguement condoned the hunting of those smaller gators and such but to kill this "unicorn of the gators" was wrong.


Those argueing against hunting in general had better be vegans who have also never used a medication tested on animals IMHO.....

And this is coming from a non-hunter (unless you count the 2 times I have taken out a deer with my cars...)

 

[soulpatch]

Right, its a "harvest" or some other alternative description made to justify the actions being "necessary." Even though this post made the point clear about it being unnecessary....but go ahead and keep on drawing comparisons to deer and other irrelevant nonsense.

Again as pointed out earlier while that particular gator was in an unpopulated area I am sure he ate 100% of his offspring and none of them moved closer to populated areas.

Deer is the easiest comparison for us in PA. You could look at the coyote, jack rabbit, wolf, and on and on as other instances where trimming a pack/herd/population is necessary.

The only way it would be unneccessary woudl be if all of us humans left that area and reintroduced the original natural population of animals that have been thinned out. Ain't going to happen. But if you feel that strongly about it, please feel free to rip down your home and convert the land back to natural habitat...

 

[krzr3000]

No not really. The counter arguement against hunting was going into the wild to take out this beautiful creature. Many making that arguement condoned the hunting of those smaller gators and such but to kill this "unicorn of the gators" was wrong.


Those argueing against hunting in general had better be vegans who have also never used a medication tested on animals IMHO.....

And this is coming from a non-hunter (unless you count the 2 times I have taken out a deer with my cars...)

Since you mentioned it, i am vegan. Not anti hunting by any means but my diet preference has little to do with this anyways.

Again as pointed out earlier while that particular gator was in an unpopulated area I am sure he ate 100% of his offspring and none of them moved closer to populated areas.

Deer is the easiest comparison for us in PA. You could look at the coyote, jack rabbit, wolf, and on and on as other instances where trimming a pack/herd/population is necessary.

The only way it would be unneccessary woudl be if all of us humans left that area and reintroduced the original natural population of animals that have been thinned out. Ain't going to happen. But if you feel that strongly about it, please feel free to rip down your home and convert the land back to natural habitat...

I live in CT...deer are a huge problem here as the state is one big suburb and suburban sprawl killed off any natural predator/prey relationships a while ago. But what does any of that have to do with the article? The article is about a large gator and the debate become whether or not it was necessary. But this case in particular seems to be unnecessary as its not a developed peice of land. Thus comparing it to deer up north is irrelevant.

 

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

 

[soulpatch]

If you could prove that that particular gator had never reproduced NOR did any of his territory stem into populated areas then you might be able to make that claim of it being uneccessary but you neither know what his full territroy was or if he was breeding and such.

Considering that this guy went in there and came out with the gator means the gator was not in untouchable land. You are basically saying a hunter should only go say 5 miles from an inhabited area to hunt when we all knows animals have vast territories.


I dont even know why I bother with this thread anymore. Countless people have shown why both hunting is neccessary and valid. The counter arguement has been "but he was a beautiful specimen"...or he was in the wild... Well sorry but that arguement could be made for any animal hunted as I have yet to meet a hunter setting up shop on the side of the street. Sure in many instance people do not have to go as remote as this guy might have but that still does nto condem him for his legal hunt.

If that area is soooo untouched then it should be deemed a wetland where you are not legally allowed to hunt since there is no human interaction.

 

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

If you could prove that that particular gator had never reproduced NOR did any of his territory stem into populated areas then you might be able to make that claim of it being uneccessary but you neither know what his full territroy was or if he was breeding and such.

Considering that this guy went in there and came out with the gator means the gator was not in untouchable land. You are basically saying a hunter should only go say 5 miles from an inhabited area to hunt when we all knows animals have vast territories.


I dont even know why I bother with this thread anymore. Countless people have shown why both hunting is neccessary and valid. The counter arguement has been "but he was a beautiful specimen"...or he was in the wild... Well sorry but that arguement could be made for any animal hunted as I have yet to meet a hunter setting up shop on the side of the street. Sure in many instance people do not have to go as remote as this guy might have but that still does nto condem him for his legal hunt.

If that area is soooo untouched then it should be deemed a wetland where you are not legally allowed to hunt since there is no human interaction.

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[soulpatch]

That video is totally lame and addictive at the same time... lol

 

[krzr3000]

If you could prove that that particular gator had never reproduced NOR did any of his territory stem into populated areas then you might be able to make that claim of it being uneccessary but you neither know what his full territroy was or if he was breeding and such.

Considering that this guy went in there and came out with the gator means the gator was not in untouchable land. You are basically saying a hunter should only go say 5 miles from an inhabited area to hunt when we all knows animals have vast territories.


I dont even know why I bother with this thread anymore. Countless people have shown why both hunting is neccessary and valid. The counter arguement has been "but he was a beautiful specimen"...or he was in the wild... Well sorry but that arguement could be made for any animal hunted as I have yet to meet a hunter setting up shop on the side of the street. Sure in many instance people do not have to go as remote as this guy might have but that still does nto condem him for his legal hunt.

If that area is soooo untouched then it should be deemed a wetland where you are not legally allowed to hunt since there is no human interaction.

I don't have much to respond to i agree this is a bleak thread at this point. But your last sentence is just more reason not to compare the two...wetlands do not go hand in hand when comparing such vastly different physical locations (PA vs FL).

This isn't Pennsylvania where there are no Predators to control Deer.......That's comparing apples to oranges........Beleive it or not, there are areas where humans really havn't put there stamp yet......Where that Gator was killed, was un-altered wetland.......Where the ecosystem is still intact, and all the little niches are still there.......How else do you think that animal hit 14' and stayed that way? The days of 14' Gators are coming to an end because of human encroachment........Whats un-altered should stay that way, and like I said, there are plenty of Gators just a minute outside civilization that would satisfy anybody........There are alot of gators in Floriduh.......People poach them all the time.......Try to find a big Male anymore......You won't.......Just the typical 6-10ft. transient Males that should be the management animals........

 

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

quoting that person just makes ur point even more moot

 

[krzr3000]

quoting that person just makes ur point even more moot

Yea quoting someone who lives in the area where this happened, how would they have any meaningful insight?