Hunter nabs largest gator in state history

[soulpatch]

I don’t even know what you are trying to argue with my last line. I am aware that most of the state of FL is technically a wetland but when the govt comes down and dictates certain parameters of wetlands it forbids a lot of actions to be done at said location. If a protected wetland then you can not go in there to hunt.

So again if this area was sooo pristine then it should be deemed as such and hunting not allowed.


Us in PA also know quite a bit about wetlands since most of our SE portion of the state has various protected areas as we are on top of the Chesapeake watershed which is eerily similar to the wetlands in the south in terms of their fragile ecosystems and such.


Honestly each time you try to counter me you just show more and more ignorance and lack of insight. I would say you should get out before you dig yourself deeper but honestly at this point I am curious as to what other uneducated fully opinion based comments you can try to come up with in your attempt to debate or prove your opinion.

 

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

he wont. he will just quote eric instead of thinking for himself

 

[Citrinellus]

bam!!

it seems like this thread needs this
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I actually was singing that in my head, while I was taking notes in Goverment! Invader Zim was a great show...

 

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

lol. yes it was. i miss it

 

[soulpatch]

Yea quoting someone who lives in the area where this happened, how would they have any meaningful insight?

If one truely lives in the area of this gator then aren't you disproving your own point about it being untouched. If he 100% sure that this guy or others are not living within the crocs territory.

This is the internet where broad statements are made constantly. No offense to the poster who wrote that but if this was such a haven and untouched then why is it allowed to be hunted in?

He caught it just West of Melbourne according to the article. There are numerous conservation lands in the area but also numerous housing developments and human populated areas. The conservation lands are the ones furthest from human contact and I am assuming it is like most other states where you can not hunt in conservation lands so that means he was within miles of civilization when he killed the croc.

http://maps.google.com/ Type in Melbourne, Fl if you need a hand seeing this. We all know Crocs have large territories so this one had skirted by for some time but his luck ran out. Perhaps he was really unlucky and his territory mainy was in the conservation lands. Who knows. Could have been or it could have stretched closer to us and he was just never caught before.

 

[Dark Jester]

I tried reading the thread and empathising with the pro-animal side, I really did. But all I kept seeing was "blah blah blah, I'm a dirty hippie, blah blah blah".

That was a joke.

Really, I'm glad people can choose to be vegan these days. Had your ancestors had the same reservations and tried it a couple hundred years ago, they likely would have starved to death and you might not be here able to voice your opinion today. Vegetable based protein suplements weren't exactly commonplace back then in this country. You worked your land and hunted for your food or you didn't eat. Simple as that.

I don't think hunting is bad, when done to control populations or for food. Even when done strictly to control populations the meat is still used. Most states have a department of wildlife that monitors game numbers to make sure sustainable populations are maintained. Some DOW organizations do government run herd thinning, not exactly 'just looking for hunting permit revenue' there.

Trophy hunting is kindof senseless if the meat isn't used, but if the meat is used then really, it's just another croc. A big croc that will provide more meat than 2 or 3 smaller ones. If you're out hunting to provide food for your family through the winter, and you are only allowed 1 kill, are you going to aim for the 8 foot juvenile, or the 14 foot monster? Which one is more likely to sustain your family for the longest period? That's Survival 101.

The croc territory issue can be argued both ways. Maybe he didn't have to go find one in the middle of a wetland, maybe he could have shot one closer to home. The power vacuum created by taking out that big male will have subdominant males fighting over it for a couple years probably. Subdominant males that might have been forced out by the big daddy and ended up in someones back yard and killed a kid. Boy, when kids are killed, people's attitudes about hunting sure change. One child dies and the community goes into angry lynch mob mode. Nevermind the fact that you built (or bought) your hosue on the edge of croc territory. Even in this thread it was said that it would be ok to kill the monster if he was in someone's back yard, but not a few miles away? Where is the limit?

I had more, but I don't have Soulpatch's focus for debating today, so I guess I'll just leave it at that.

 

[krzr3000]

We can assume this and that but its getting rather arbitrary. I don't see what is to refute about the points i quoted...you are making too many baseless assumptions about what you *think* is going on.

 

[krzr3000]

Really, I'm glad people can choose to be vegan these days. Had your ancestors had the same reservations and tried it a couple hundred years ago, they likely would have starved to death and you might not be here able to voice your opinion today. Vegetable based protein suplements weren't exactly commonplace back then in this country. You worked your land and hunted for your food or you didn't eat. Simple as that.

Veganism is a product of the modern world...cause and effect.

 

[soulpatch]

We can assume this and that but its getting rather arbitrary. I don't see what is to refute about the points i quoted...you are making too many baseless assumptions about what you *think* is going on.

Whoa there buddy. What baseless assumptins have I made or those argueing against you? What is it we "think" is going on?

If anythng I think you fail to grasp anything in this debate other then the croc was a specimen of the species that you think should have been left alone.

You have given no reason otherwise to save it. I was up in the air about the territory till I looked at a map of the area. Now while I made an assumption that in Florida that you can not hunt on conservation lands I have a confidence level of around 80% in that assumption. I coul dlook it up but then again I dont wish to as I have already looked up items and even posted a link to a map whereas all you have done is sit in this thread like a child and state no your wrong without giving any substance to your arguement.

So find something to prove me otherwise or go back to your daily routine and leave this thread for those who can form a cognizant platform for their debate.

 

[soulpatch]

Veganism is a product of the modern world...cause and effect.

So is Scientology.....