I give up

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True, but I've only ever had one success in helping someone set up a tank. Friend I met during college orientation. Just so happened he was also into fish and wanted to set up his first tank. I send him an Amazon list of the usual stuff I buy (the cheap and good stuff), and I'm pleasantly surprised when he sends me a picture of his tank with all of the equipment I told him to get on/in it. He is now up to 5 tanks, most with fish, plants, and equipment I recommended.

But he was one in dozens I have tried to help, dozens who unlike him refused to listen. At the very least, while unfortunately at the expense of the fish, they usually learn the hard way why they should've listened to me.
That's awesome to here man. I've helped a friend get into the hobby and he's onto tank #2 now and he's loving it.

If I'm trying to help someone and they refuse to listen, they're a lost cause with a mindset for failure. It's like a certain someone who used to say we all need pools for 1ft fish. They have a mindset that what they want is correct and they just need the validation that someone thinks they're right.
 
43 years worth of people wanting advice and to some varying degrees taking it. But 43 years of a LOT of people thinking that because I have 20 tanks running, keep marine, koi, freshwater, and a tropical pond it must be easy, and to be honest they are not wrong, PROVIDING they are willing to learn the basics first.
I don’t expect them to follow my advice. If they did they would never learn for themselves. You have to make mistakes and get it wrong sometimes.
We all actually need more of these folks that are not willing to take advice and go out an make mistakes, cos then they either learn from them and get better, or they give up! It’s the ones who don’t give up, and don’t learn, and do the same time and time again we don’t need and it’s those I stop helping.
The one thing I had to do though is stop helping people on Facebook, cos on there there is a global group of folks all chiming in with all sorts of rubbish they believe to be true from their 15 minutes of keeping a goldfish in a bowl they set up just this morning after seeing a video on you tube.
If proper fish keepers want advice then I would hope they join a site like this to ask.
 
It’s the ones who don’t give up, and don’t learn, and do the same time and time again we don’t need and it’s those I stop helping.

This sums up my wife's friends perfectly. I started a thread some time ago, I think I entitled it "Lost causes", though it was more of a frustrated rant actually, regarding their total ineptitude regarding all aspects of fish keeping.

I mentioned that when someone (the husband) has the attitude that, "aquarium fish don't live that long, and in any case they're only fish anyway", you know you are onto a loser from the get go as far as educating them goes.

Only the other day her friend was at our house and she always goes straight into the fish room to look at my fish. From the adjoining room I overheard her to my wife saying that they were having problems with "fish fighting", and so her solution was to take the offending fish out and euthanise it, by putting it in the freezer, ALIVE!!!

My frustration with this woman immediately began to rise and I butted in and told her that putting live fish in a freezer is about as inhumane as you can get. "But don't they just go to sleep peacefully", she said.

This horrible couple have been in the hobby for years and years. They've learnt nothing, and unsurprisingly encounter failure after failure, but they carry on regardless.

It's staggering.
 
This sums up my wife's friends perfectly. I started a thread some time ago, I think I entitled it "Lost causes", though it was more of a frustrated rant actually, regarding their total ineptitude regarding all aspects of fish keeping.

I mentioned that when someone (the husband) has the attitude that, "aquarium fish don't live that long, and in any case they're only fish anyway", you know you are onto a loser from the get go as far as educating them goes.

Only the other day her friend was at our house and she always goes straight into the fish room to look at my fish. From the adjoining room I overheard her to my wife saying that they were having problems with "fish fighting", and so her solution was to take the offending fish out and euthanise it, by putting it in the freezer, ALIVE!!!

My frustration with this woman immediately began to rise and I butted in and told her that putting live fish in a freezer is about as inhumane as you can get. "But don't they just go to sleep peacefully", she said.

This horrible couple have been in the hobby for years and years. They've learnt nothing, and unsurprisingly encounter failure after failure, but they carry on regardless.

It's staggering.
I used to deal with such people back when I worked in a pet store years ago.
 
What's the old saying "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink".
I think that pretty much sums up the knuckle heads that ask for information but don't take the advice.
Really nothing to get upset over.
 
Hehe...tale as old as time.

Most people just want a pretty fish tank with minimum effort necessary. They dont want to hear about maintenance, tank upgrades, incompatibilities, diet requirements...

Most people could also care less about the well being of a fish. Its only when dollar signs become attached that the fish becomes important.

Most people arent cut out to be fishkeepers it turns out.
 
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Hehe...tale as old as time.

Most people just want a pretty fish tank with minimum effort necessary. They dont want to hear about maintenance, tank upgrades, incompatibilities, diet requirements...

Most people could also care less about the well being of a fish. Its only when dollar signs become attached that the fish becomes important.

Most people arent cut out to be fishkeepers it turns out.
I agree,
When I see the resistance even on this site, to the science of water parameter logic, and tests that show natural parameters, from people who supposedly give a rats...
seeing flack from the average joe is no surprise what so ever.
 
You will never catch me helping new fishkeepers again. There is no point in wasting my time if they are not going to listen. I made the mistake of trying reddit again, found this one person asking for advice on stocking a 75, I suggested a colony of EITHER one species of amatitlania or one species of thorichthys as I usually do, and a couple of smaller fish to go with either. They decide to go with this, and I answer more of their questions. I check back today... They got the convict... One convict... And one firemouth... And tiger barbs, a random mbuna, a peacock, and a like 6" sun cat. Why do I even bother?
Reddit is a special place where people who like doing things differently suffer. Years ago I suggested that a redditor use peroxide to kill algae in a tough to clean spot of his filter tubing (disconnected and rinsed afterwords) and they went nuts on me. I tried to explain that it's perfectly safe, and that I've been using it to deep clean my impellers for years, they accused me of fish neglect.
I don't even look at reddit anymore, nobody does a hobby because they want to be treated badly and stressed.
 
Reddit is a special place where people who like doing things differently suffer. Years ago I suggested that a redditor use peroxide to kill algae in a tough to clean spot of his filter tubing (disconnected and rinsed afterwords) and they went nuts on me. I tried to explain that it's perfectly safe, and that I've been using it to deep clean my impellers for years, they accused me of fish neglect.
I don't even look at reddit anymore, nobody does a hobby because they want to be treated badly and stressed.
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You will never catch me helping new fishkeepers again. There is no point in wasting my time if they are not going to listen.

One of the basic truths of working in sales is that you must have a thick skin and be able to tolerate rejection; it's often stated that you will hear a new prospect say "no" at least 7 times before you get a "yes". And when you are trying to help a new aquarist, you are essentially selling an idea, so...you gotta get used to the feeling that you are talking to a wall.

I spent about a decade in commissioned sales before getting completely fed up and moving on to an honest job. You just get to the point where your patience is gone, and the self-control that has kept you from launching yourself across a desk and grabbing some idiot's throat is wearing dangerously thin. I vividly remember that specific customer that was my "last straw"; I had been feeling the signs of burnout for awhile, and the customer in question displayed a heady mix of stupidity, arrogance, stubbornness and distrust, with just a dash of self-righteousness thrown in for spice. When I caught myself starting a sentence with "Look, lady..." I just decided then and there that it was time to move on.

The problem you're facing is much worse, because I was doing it to earn a living, i.e. for my own benefit...but you're getting worn out by something that you are doing essentially selflessly, in a simple effort to assist somebody else with no personal gain for you. There's nothing wrong with just saying "the hell with it!" and withdrawing partially or completely from the arena for awhile; it might be the best thing for you. You have no obligation to stress yourself out for no reason.

After a period of simply watching a succession of these jokers go down in flames of their own creation, you'll probably forget yourself and, without thinking, respond to one of them. Who knows? Maybe it will go well for both of you...but the odds are that it will be another one of those...and the encounter will be a cold slap that knocks you back out of the ring for awhile.

I'm trying to avoid engaging these types as well; periodically making a foray into a conversation with one of them, and so far at least I am almost always regretting it. A neighbour that had some goldfish...and then decided that she didn't want them and gave them to me...and then decided a short time later that she wanted to try goldfish again, so she bought another batch...recently invited my wife and me over for coffee. As we sat on the deck, she casually asked me if I wanted to see her fishtank. I almost said "not really" but my wife piped up "oh, yes, let's see it!" so we trooped into the house, to be faced with her fishtank and it's new goldfish...and a pair of small angelfish...and a pleco...and a tiny Oscar.

I could feel my wife's gaze on me, as she wondered what I was about to say...so I just said "that's nice". :)

Take a break, and it'll get better...

...won't it? :uhoh:
 
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