I hope HR 669 Passes

[cguarino30]

I really dont understand why he want to support this bill as none of of his fish are goldfish??

1) I've already admitted to overstating my point in the title of this thread, and do not actually want the bill to pass, I was just making some points about what would be positive about tighter restrictions on importation and transport of non-native species

2) I don't believe that a post-hr669 world would actually have no domestic fish besides goldfish, and am extremely confident that the governement would either readily make legal most non-invasive tropicals, or at least would not effectively enforce the laws on the individual home level (much like they currently do with marijuana)

 

[cguarino30]

Yup. Jackbooted thugs will be reserved for guppy breeding 8 year olds.

If you think the government cares enough about our fush to waste the time and money sending ANYONE to our houses, let alone elite thugs, you're kidding yourself. Your fish are not that important to anyone. They don't even do that for drugs, and drugs have been outlawed for decades. Maybe if someone is breeding a million dollars worth of outlawed snakeheads in their basement, they might bother, but me and my 90 gallon community tank are most likely safe.

 

[cguarino30]

I think more than 10% do keeping darters and other natives but again there are already laws for keeping natives in aquarium.

But I agree with you. There are very few non native fishes can survived Minnesota winters and they are not from aquarium releases.

There are too many flaws in this bill anyways.

I Agree, the bill is very flawed, I'm more for the increased restriction of importation and inter-state transport, as opposed to the restrictions on actual keeping and breeding in the home.

 

[cguarino30]

This thread's really helped your post count lol.

haha, I was just thinking the same thing. I went from green terror to Red-bellied Piranha in 2 days. haha.

 

[dragonfish]

I would appreciate a little clarity on a few of your points.

1. That it would not effect the petstores, that they could survive on a few native species that everyone can go catch. Where does this knowledge come from? Do you have an actual source or are you guessing.

2. You mentioned you keep swords, mollies, cories, etc. Not making fun of what you keep but this is called MonsterFish keepers, not small livebearer keepers. Why are you here if you don't have and apparently don't care or have any intention of owning anything else.

3. The fact that you would come on here and start this screams troll, not that I'm judging.

4. You stated that you kept quiet as long as possible but had to get your viewpoint out. You joined last month, not much for patience are you?

For the people who quoted one, and only one, part of my earlier post. You obviously didn't read the last line where I mentioned that maybe that part was a extreme. But saying it can't happen, look at the Save Rocky thread. First the government banned a species and now wants to destroy a longterm pet. Now tell me again how it will never happen.

 

[cguarino30]

I will not keep darters and the like of what you said. I will not be satisfied by these fish. I think 95% of the MFK'ers here and other fish keepers will not be satisfied by these fish.

This is MFK, MONSTER fish keepers, we want big exotic fish. Why does our government have to stick us with mollies, guppies and goldfish. Some people like these fish, perfectly fine with me if they do. But what about the other 5 million people who get screwed. Is it fair for them?

Like any other fish keeper I don't want people to be throwing their fish out in the wild and etc. but just because snakeheads and some species can mess with our native fish doesn't mean we need to end all fish keeping.

Also for the person who said we were being dramatic and that they were from Australia. Saying that we would get used to it like Australia did. Do you know what country this is. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, we will not stand for this. Americans have bled and put everything into this country. We value our beliefs and our families, for all of the things our forefathers have done for this country do you really think we will stand for this monstrocity of a bill. Ask any American about this bill(that actually has read or knows what it entails) and 98% of them would do anything to stop this bill. America will not stand for this to happen. We have last time I checked 50k members or so and literally 9.999/10 would do anything to stop this bill. Heck I would march on Washington D.C. with signs and everything.

I just don't see how you can think that this bill is good for the U.S. Sure it will stop some invasive species, but now almsot every MFK is partaking in an illegal act. I want a Silver aro(I really do) and no law is going to stop me. It's a dang silver aro for gosh sakes. Like I said , this is America were not push-overs. Just because some politician is scared of a snakehead(LOL) doesn't mean they should ban all fish besides some mollies and goldfish.

There I feel good now. Just let it out people, you will feel good after.

There are plenty of native monsters, too, a lot of the people here keep gars and bass and sunfish, and if you think 98% of the people of the US won't allow the bill to happen, what do you care what I think of it? I'd like to reiterate that I'm not actually for the bill, I just think some parts of it are good (restrictions on importation and interstate transport), and think that those parts would help a lot of things.

 

[smpage]

haha, I was just thinking the same thing. I went from green terror to Red-bellied Piranha in 2 days. haha.

Yeah I was just laughing about it. I think you started this thread at, what, 50 posts? less? lol

 

[cguarino30]

Yeah I was just laughing about it. I think you started this thread at, what, 50 posts? less? lol

I want to say low 40s. Nothing breeds discussion like the hatred of the masses, eh? haha

 

[cguarino30]

I would appreciate a little clarity on a few of your points.

1. That it would not effect the petstores, that they could survive on a few native species that everyone can go catch. Where does this knowledge come from? Do you have an actual source or are you guessing.

Of course these are just predictions? What am I, a genie? I'm simply explaining why I don't believe the doomsday theories are accurate. It's no less credible than everyone else claiming that the bill will destroy the pet industry or the hobby.

2. You mentioned you keep swords, mollies, cories, etc. Not making fun of what you keep but this is called MonsterFish keepers, not small livebearer keepers. Why are you here if you don't have and apparently don't care or have any intention of owning anything else.

I don't think the government will ban ALL tropical fish, only the ones that it deems invasive. This topic has been covered at great length earlier in the thread.

3. The fact that you would come on here and start this screams troll, not that I'm judging.

This was also covered earlier

4. You stated that you kept quiet as long as possible but had to get your viewpoint out. You joined last month, not much for patience are you?

I never said it was as long as possible, I said I was tired of it. I don't like keeping my opinions to myself, especially not because they are unpopular. I'm not trying to impress anyone with my patience.

For the people who quoted one, and only one, part of my earlier post. You obviously didn't read the last line where I mentioned that maybe that part was a extreme. But saying it can't happen, look at the Save Rocky thread. First the government banned a species and now wants to destroy a longterm pet. Now tell me again how it will never happen.

People, please, if you're going to argue with me, at least take the time to read what I've already written. I've done a great deal of posting in the last couple of days, and I'm arguing this point largely by myself, and against great opposition, so I'd rather not have to repeat myself, as I'm already quite strained to keep up with everyone who disagrees with me.

 

[Neophyte]

Again the one thing that you seem to be missing on this is that anything non-native is immediately black-listed until white listed (as they essentially said in the hearing), so effectively every non-native animal with the current exceptions (farm animals, horses, cats, dogs, etc...) will be banned, even harmless popular tropical fish.

Unless they have changed it that is the way that it will work and if you think for a moment just how many animals there are to go through many species that would be perfectly acceptable by this bill's standards will no longer exist by the time they are approved. Then even if it is white-listed you would still have to give up or kill your animals if you decided to move to another state.