I live in California- I heard freshwater rays are illegal here- is it true?

[Vince]

fresh= south amer.
dasyatis= brackish to full marine
asia= ?

Well that answers the simple question.

I am referring to the physical characteristics such as "poison stingers", non-poisonous, etc..

Doesn't all of them have the same poisonous stingers? If you swim in the ocean and there is a ray in there, you "could" (keyword) get stung. Not many people I know go "swimming" in the lake, but mostly pools and ocean. Actually it is not even swimming, but mostly just wading. I guess I just can't fathom the reasoning of some of the governing powers that dictate what and what we cannot keep. Asian Aros, as long as they have a chip installed, then that should say that they are from a farm, and fish with no chips could not be sold...how simple is that?

We are just slaves of people that has no idea on what solutions can be applied. But instead, the easiest solution to these imbeciles are "blanket approach" to their so called problems. In example, the snakeheads. The eat all the fish in the pond, and they can walk in land, let's just banned the species because we have no idea how they look. Asian Aros, very endagered in the wild, but very prolific in farms. They are busting out at the seams, BUT, our governing powers could not accept the fact that these fish could be obtained by using the new technology. Why can't we have people that have some sense work in these departments!

FRUSTRATING!!!

 

[bluedempsey]

i'm referring to the physical characteristics such as "poison stingers", non-poisonous, etc..

dasyatis
http://nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu/~pmpie/dsabina.html

 

[Jesse]

The Asian and Australian whiprays in the Dasyatid genus Himantura have a long whiplike tail with a stinger. They are found in FW, BW, and SW, depending on the species. The most famous FW species is Himantura chaophraya, the giant Thai whipray:

http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/fish/Himantura_chaophraya/

My guess is that the California Fish and Game Commission regulations do not address the family Dasyatidae because there are native species within that family that occur off the California coast.

 

[magic]

FYI people get stung all the time in salt water. Especially around San Diego area but i think u could almost everywhere or everywhere in cali.

 

[fishyboi]

everything here is mostly illegal

 

[Serygo]

again, they are NOT illegal , they are controlled, there is a difference. Drugs are illegal, driving at 150 mph is illegal, you cannot get permits to do those things.
Dr Ross lives in California. permits can be hard to obtain. Semantics maybe but still......

Well said.

 

[iansilv]

OK- so, given the fact tht they are illegal, yu need a permit, blah blah blah... COMBINED with the fact that I have no intention of EVER releasing them in to the wild or sticking my hand in to get stung, can someone PM me with info on how to acquire one or two in California? I had a friend who was a drug dealer and he also kept piranhas in California. I don't really spend much time wiht him becasuse, well, he is a drug dealer. But his fish were illegal, and he got them somehow. I guess, if you are dealing drugs, I don't think the illegal aquarium fish are going to be much of an issue...

 

[iansilv]

or maybe not... Seriously, is it going to be impossible for me to acquire one in good old southern cali?

 

[Oddball]

If you take a gander towards the bottom of the restricted fish list, you'll see a little note that covers all sharks, rays, guitarfishes, etc. The list states all elasmobranchs are illegal without a permit. That covers ALL cartilaginous species.

iansilv: with less than a month on the site, you should stop asking for someone to abet you in a crime that's been fully covered in this thread. If you want a ray in a bad way you'll have quicker results by gassing up your car and driving to a state that sells them legally and bring them back over state lines yourself.

 

[seighten]

go get em oddball!!!