thanks apriliarider i couldnt remember what you said that food was. and my water is up at 84 degrees but i can still turn the heaters i tad more. they really dont start showing full true colors until 10inches? good thing its a bass and thats only about 6 to 8 months away if i keep it eating right haha... hillbilly, thats a really good point about them eating other sick/dieing/weak fish in the wild, i still think i would treat goldfish and such.. would freezing the feeders kill all chance of harful parasites on the fish?