ich on my $$ expensive ebjd Help

[trashcan]

Agree with beantickler. High temps+salt. I think there is a thread on here somewhere about it. I was told by an EBJD breeder to use substantially less salt, 1 tablespoon per 10 gallons for ich treatment. Also as BT said, make sure to keep this up even after the fish looks better so that you can get all of it in the tank. Otherwise it can come back as soon as you stop treatment.

 

[Lupin]

i heard table salt has harmful chemicals in it like iodine, use melfax it works great

This has been parroted several times. It is a myth. Table salt is fine for use. I have long tried to explain this several times. Long story short, here are all the facts.

By the way, Melafix is not effective against protozoans. Have you tested the Melafix in one of the ich cases you have? Simple melaluca oil will not destroy protozoans which are also resistant to most medicines once those meds are improperly used.

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176808

You don't add aquarium salt to any tanks. Why would you? Look at the reasons you might need to use salt (as in NaCl) in an aquarium:

1. Combat acute nitrite poisoning where water changes alone aren't equal to the problem - ordinary table salt will do this.
2. Treating protozoal infections like ick - a/a
3. Creating brackish water conditions - for this you need marine salt (not sea salt either, you need the stuff the salty guys use, just less of it).

No place for aquarium salt. It's a con trick, built on a number of myths:

1. Fish need "essential electrolytes". Well, they do. Do you need "aquarium salt" to provide them? Nope. Most tap water is already higher in these electrolytes than the fishes' natural waters. Where it isn't, you'll be using rift lake cichlid salts or marine salt anyway (see "Brackish" below).

2. Table salt contains harmful additives. It contains additives, but these are at tiny levels. You'd pickle the fish in brine before you gave them iodine poisoning (or whatever the current "scare" additive is).

3. Salt acts as a prophylaxis against disease. It might, but only by osmotically stressing the fish the same way as it does the potential pathogens. Really, this makes as much sense as taking two paracetamol every day in case you otherwise get a headache. Not usually considered sound medical practice.

Add to this some mystique by not actually listing the ingredients (this is because it's either plain NaCl, or boring old sea salt) and bang - a big moneyspinner for the shops.

Just don't get me started on the similar pH mythology and the lucrative industry that's hanging on the back of that.

Another thread worth noting.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173121

Thanks for the thread.... though it did not really conclude anything. Just a clarification, aquarium salt is not pure NaCl? I use NaCl. I have never seen aquarium salt (unless that is sea aquarium salt). Please confirm?

By the way, if ctoychik catches up on this, the answer is 'aquarium' salt is just plain sodium chloride in a fancy package worth in some places more than half the price of the table salt. Companies alleged table salt is harmful for use as a way to get rich quickly by convincing the gullibles out of using the cheaper alternatives. Why would they do that? It's business. They make marketing ploys by putting ethics aside. It's up to the people to choose whom to believe but as I have explained several times, table salt is just as useful. It's thanks to the companies for making white lies that people choose to go to expensive routes and then complain they wasted too much bucks over a sick fish.

 

[ohhsweetness]

ok gav my two tanks a dose of salt
ill water change tomoz on both tanks and do the same dosage agen ?
hope this works i lost ebjd so far he was the first to get it !! poor little fella

 

[Lupin]

If you're doing a water change, dose the amount of salt per the amount of water you replaced.

 

[ohhsweetness]

ok thnx

 

[ctoychik]

This has been parroted several times. It is a myth. Table salt is fine for use. I have long tried to explain this several times. Long story short, here are all the facts.

By the way, Melafix is not effective against protozoans. Have you tested the Melafix in one of the ich cases you have? Simple melaluca oil will not destroy protozoans which are also resistant to most medicines once those meds are improperly used.

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176808


Another thread worth noting.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173121

By the way, if ctoychik catches up on this, the answer is 'aquarium' salt is just plain sodium chloride in a fancy package worth in some places more than half the price of the table salt. Companies alleged table salt is harmful for use as a way to get rich quickly by convincing the gullibles out of using the cheaper alternatives. Why would they do that? It's business. They make marketing ploys by putting ethics aside. It's up to the people to choose whom to believe but as I have explained several times, table salt is just as useful. It's thanks to the companies for making white lies that people choose to go to expensive routes and then complain they wasted too much bucks over a sick fish.

Heheheheh, iodized salt cost wayyyy more than normal rock salt over where i live . When i say iodized, it is not just traces of iodine ... we add iodine here into salt to combat iodine deficiencies in rural areas (some neck disease).

LFS only carry salt (sea?) for salt water aquariums. LFS here advise against using iodized salt AND they advise against using salt water aquarium salt. They do not carry normal NaCl (too cheap?) but advise to get it in the market... so LFS motivation can be ruled out here.... Perhaps it is just normal practice here.

In any case, i would still advise against salt with additives... safe than sorry - just get non-iodized salt.

 

[ohhsweetness]

yeah to late we will find out if it works or not then hey
cause i have the iodized one and did it with tthat one !!

 

[Lupin]

Heheheheh, iodized salt cost wayyyy more than normal rock salt over where i live . When i say iodized, it is not just traces of iodine ... we add iodine here into salt to combat iodine deficiencies in rural areas (some neck disease).

'Neck disease' is goiter. It is indeed a result of iodine deficiency. Strange but iodized table salt here in the Philippines is very cheap though rock salt is cheaper.

LFS only carry salt (sea?) for salt water aquariums.

That's marine salt.

In any case, i would still advise against salt with additives... safe than sorry - just get non-iodized salt.

I repeat this is a myth. The additives in salt is minimal. If it were not, then it may not be suitable for human consumption at all. If it isn't, it would surely kill the fish. It is coincidental people blame the table salt for the fish deaths because they either forgot or are ignorant to dissolve the salt when adding it to the tank. Adding the salt carelessly to finish the dosage recommended is also another way to kill a fish. It's called osmotic shock.

It's up to you whether to believe it or not. Several members in Aquariacentral.com have discussed this many times and are on agreement table salt has proven itself useful and cost effective. I used iodized table salt several times for ich cases with no issues.

 

[ohhsweetness]

yeah well i am believing that it will work ... i hope really goodly lol
and if it doesnt i have dead expensive fish o well !!!

trial and error
you hav to go through it one day ey !!

better be now because ebjd are so cheap atm !!

 

[Lupin]

yeah to late we will find out if it works or not then hey
cause i have the iodized one and did it with tthat one !!

If you dissolved and added the salt slowly, then it should not cause any ill issues to your fish. One local hobbyist had his loach freaked around and died. He later admitted he never dissolved the salt despite adding it slowly. He tried again and the second time around, his loaches never felt stressed and eventually recovered from ich.