ID ME !

[John Rambo]

So I bought a pair of hartwegi, pair of fenestratus, and a pair of piebald fenestratus all at the same sizes 3-4". I put them together and am getting a bit confused on some of these fish.

So the first 2 pics are what I thought was hartwegi until I saw them stress and show vertical dark bars. I thought this was characteristic of fenestratus? So now Im not sure.

Pics 3 and 4 are of the same fish which I thought was regular fene, but I never see grey vertical bars

Pic 5 was a fish sold as fene piebald. It looks like catemaco though. I guess same thing.

pic 6 is a piebald fene and that is what I would expect one to look like

pic 7 (below the breidhori) looked just like pic 4 (regular fene?) then changed in a matter of 2 weeks to what looks like catemaco/piebald.

does any one disagree and y. Are there any definite hybrids?
thanks for your help

 

[John Rambo]

bump, does anyone know?

 

[cchhcc]

Check out Willem Heijns post on the Cichlid Room. He does a great job of describing how it is almost impossible to ID Paratheraps and the like unless you are certain of the collection point, etc. Many species look so much alike that identification is almost a pointless exercise.

Fish that have been raised on farms are even tougher to ID due to accidental hybridization.

To your original point, vertical bars are a feature of fenestratus (the "normal" morph), but I don't see much of that in your pics. I have normal morph fenes from (what I think) is your source, and they are very clearly different fish.

It is tough to tell apart some of the harts, gutts, fenes, etc. coming from Florida sometimes, especially when very small. Heck, some sources will tell you that gutts aren't even in the hobby. Who knows with these fish?

You should be able to tell after they get a little more size on them.

 

[cornizzy]

damn i want your RTM's!!!

 

[John Rambo]

Check out Willem Heijns post on the Cichlid Room. He does a great job of describing how it is almost impossible to ID Paratheraps and the like unless you are certain of the collection point, etc. Many species look so much alike that identification is almost a pointless exercise.

Fish that have been raised on farms are even tougher to ID due to accidental hybridization.

To your original point, vertical bars are a feature of fenestratus (the "normal" morph), but I don't see much of that in your pics. I have normal morph fenes from (what I think) is your source, and they are very clearly different fish.

It is tough to tell apart some of the harts, gutts, fenes, etc. coming from Florida sometimes, especially when very small. Heck, some sources will tell you that gutts aren't even in the hobby. Who knows with these fish?

You should be able to tell after they get a little more size on them.

damn

 

[John Rambo]

corn, if youre refering to the parachromes in the 3rd pic, those are regular freddies! And I thought you had a nice rtm from Dookie.

 

[cornizzy]

naw i didnt pick it up, i want a male not female! =P

 

[John Rambo]

Rapps got 5"ers

 

[Modest_Man]

The fish in photo 3 and 4 looks very similar to a fish I picked up from store that orders from DCT labled as 'fenestratus "blue"'. After I showed an adult photo to Don himself he identified it as zonatus. *Shrugs*

This

Grew into this

Became this (female obviously)

 

[John Rambo]

The fish in photo 3 and 4 looks very similar to a fish I picked up from store that orders from DCT labled as 'fenestratus "blue"'. After I showed an adult photo to Don himself he identified it as zonatus. *Shrugs*

This

Grew into this

Became this (female obviously)

thanks for your input again. That is what I was affraid of. I got my fish from the same source. after eyeballing these guys out for such a long time, I worried that it might be something I never even ordered. I will give it more time. see what I end up with.