Your second pike is not a cincta. Juvenile features of your second pike does not match a cincta. Juvenile pikes of the lugubris group have certain characteristics as juveniles which your second pike does not possess.
Because of the humeral blotch above the shoulder, it looks more to be a saxatilis type, which doesn't grow past 10".
Information about saxatilis type pikes
http://www.oocities.org/vinnykutty/spangledpikes.html
It could be a male Crenicichla Lucius
http://www.oocities.org/vinnykutty/luciuspage.html
Because of the humeral blotch above the shoulder, it looks more to be a saxatilis type, which doesn't grow past 10".
Information about saxatilis type pikes
http://www.oocities.org/vinnykutty/spangledpikes.html
It could be a male Crenicichla Lucius
http://www.oocities.org/vinnykutty/luciuspage.html
