IDEA : Japanese Style Filtration...

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Let me give you an analogy for ceramic rings or any fine pore media. It is the "Lake" analogy used in Fractals in higher Calculus classes for anyone that has gotten that far. Pretty much when you look at a lake on a map, you can measure out the perimeter and say with certainty that it is however large. But if you get a larger map with more detail of the shore line, you will measure out a much higher number because the shore line isn't really a smooth shape and it actually waves back and forth. If you were to drive to the lake and measure it by walking around it with a pedometer, you will get an even larger measurement because you were able to measure more detail. If you measure around the individual rocks on the waters edge the measurement will approach infinity. This is compounded if you were to also measure around the grains of sand. The question presented in Fractals is "How can an object with a fixed volume or area have a perimeter that is infinite in size?" :D

Anyway, the same thing applies to fine pore media. No one has actually measured them at detail. They just found an average pore size and made an estimate of the surface area. If you were to measure a piece of a fine pore media, you would say that it were, say one square inch but the marketing pro insists that it is something bizzar like ten square inches. Then when they hire a math wizard that uses the fractal principal, he comes up with 20 square inches. In the end, you put it in your sump and six months later it gets a layer of growth across it and it is back to your original one square inch.

Ever wonder why Matrix recommends replacement every six months?
 
I use this method on all three my sumps and have never had problems.

It is the only way I will continue to do it.
 
neoprodigy;2278497; said:
im going to do similar type of setup... except i will add air stone on the bottom and blow air up...

The bubbles in the water do not induce oxygen but rather the turbulence they make when they hit the surface causes the gas exchange. Are you going to have room for that gas exchange to take place on the surface?
 
thor meeki;2770030; said:
So...... scrubies are useful for their extended life & decent amount of surface area while remaining cost efficient. ceramic ring media has more surface area yet only lasts 6 months & costs considerably more. Trade offs.

Is this the message I'm getting or did I misinterpret.:confused:
Ceramic rings have an indefinite life; the benefit of the micro pores is only good for six months. If you have premium mechanical filtration prior to the fine pore media, it will last longer.
 
heavyhitter;2770837; said:
The bubbles in the water do not induce oxygen but rather the turbulence they make when they hit the surface causes the gas exchange. Are you going to have room for that gas exchange to take place on the surface?
The mechanism behind gas exchange is diffusion. Google it and look for the equation that goes along with it. The factors (for solids and liquids) are time, temperature, pressure, surface area, concentrations, and the diffusion gradient. (Notice that "agitation" has no place in the equation.) The bubbles add to the surface area between the air and water, and in fact do increase the rate of diffusion.
 
What Chomper says makes sense. But if that is true, wouldn’t all those over stocked tanks be going through a ammonia spikes after six months?
 
heavyhitter;2770837; said:
The bubbles in the water do not induce oxygen but rather the turbulence they make when they hit the surface causes the gas exchange. Are you going to have room for that gas exchange to take place on the surface?


Wrong.

Dr Joe

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esse;2774770; said:
What Chomper says makes sense. But if that is true, wouldn’t all those over stocked tanks be going through a ammonia spikes after six months?
They don't design them around the pores. You have to remember that the Japanese are much smarter than we are. That is why we have overstocked tanks and they don't. :D
 
CHOMPERS;2774914; said:
They don't design them around the pores. You have to remember that the Japanese are much smarter than we are. That is why we have overstocked tanks and they don't. :D

OK, now hang in there because I really want to understand. Are you saying they design there tank filtration as (one ring = 1 unit) as apposed to (one ring = 10,000 micro units)? :confused:
 
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