Great pair of festaes Anch! It absolutely astounds me to read these posts about the naming of cichlid lineage and how its convoluting the hobby, wtf?? This is why I rarely check out anything here at MFK, the peanut galleries and self proclaimed hobby protectors. Honestly is it so hard to check out the fish and if you like comment if not then move the ef on!
Imperial Line Festae
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A festea is a festea end of story.
The only name that should be added is catch location if close to wild stock.
I could breed a pair of festea and call them super reds or something fancy.
At the end of the day it's a festea.
The only name that should be added is catch location if close to wild stock.
I could breed a pair of festea and call them super reds or something fancy.
At the end of the day it's a festea.
Ahh yes! It's refreshing to see someone with a good sense of reasoning finally. Apparently something very rare to come across here. I totally agree with your statement, it's ghost town save for the old folk.
The problem with the hobby are these old rusty mentalities about keeping things basic and unchanged, regecting progress and wanting to keep the hobby in the dark. It's such a shame that taking an existing species and putting together a breeding program to produce better stronger offspring with specific traits and characteristics that are generally considered more desirable is actually frowned upon and attacked so much on this site and elsewhere by these closed minded so-called lords of fish keeping. I laugh every time one pops up with the same bs.
Instead of applauding someone for actually taking the time and effort out of their life to put in the hard work and create something special and naming it something different or unique, people would rather hate and choose stupidity and ignorance as a reason to oppose and argue against it. Unbelievable.
I don't think anyone was implying that he shouldn't breed them, or that they weren't quality fish. I was nitpicking his choice on the word "line" when "brand" would have been more appropriate. At the end of the day, he likes us, is welcome to call them whatever he wants. I don't think we are required to call them by what he has branded them as, however. The thing that was frowned on was adding more inconsequential terminology to a hobby that is already littered with such problems.
Multiple people have complimented the fish and in my opinion the work involved by proxy. People would rather call them festae than imperial "line" and that makes them stupid or ignorant? I think we can agree that's a claim about as strong as the imperial line itself.
Its really not that serious as far as i'm concerned. I don't really see the significance of calling them "line bred" because they are not really and I think a brand is the more appropriate term. Like people have said if he was line breeding than it would mean he is breeding for a specific trait(long fins, All red males, etc) something that separated them distinctly from other festae.
People have a problem with the "imperial" title but he says where the parents are from(dad is F0 and mom is from another source) so its not like he is passing them off as something it's not. It is really not that serious enough for people to be calling each other names. The guy obviously takes good care of his fish and if you don't like the title don't buy the fry. Simple.
I have seen a few members do this over the years. The "Gorillus" strain of umbees and there was a guy line breeding meeki for several generation to try and enhance the red of the fish(not sure he had a name for them). If he hadn't included where the fish came from I may see a problem but he did. IMO it's really not something to get so worked up over. They are a stunning pair of festae. If you have a query with the use of "line bred" than say that and move on.
People have a problem with the "imperial" title but he says where the parents are from(dad is F0 and mom is from another source) so its not like he is passing them off as something it's not. It is really not that serious enough for people to be calling each other names. The guy obviously takes good care of his fish and if you don't like the title don't buy the fry. Simple.
I have seen a few members do this over the years. The "Gorillus" strain of umbees and there was a guy line breeding meeki for several generation to try and enhance the red of the fish(not sure he had a name for them). If he hadn't included where the fish came from I may see a problem but he did. IMO it's really not something to get so worked up over. They are a stunning pair of festae. If you have a query with the use of "line bred" than say that and move on.
It amazes me how people think they can improve on thousands of years of evolution and then call it their own.
If that's progress then my ideals are very old fashioned.
If that's progress then my ideals are very old fashioned.
People have been doing it for years with other fish. Its nothing new. The several colors that Koi come in are not natural. Same with different strains of guppies etc. People have always bred fish for what they found desirable. If you do not like it fine but he is not abusing the fish. He is not selling them as something they are not either. Every dog breed came from someone seeing a trait and breeding based on that trait. Its not cruel really. As long as the fish are well taken care of and he is not being misleading as far as what they are I don't see the issue.
Long Beak? Its a 4" WC youngster in that pic and is the most red female I've ever seen lolol... what a case!
This it the Female at 9"
and your male looks drab compared this this boy
This it the Female at 9"
and your male looks drab compared this this boy
I understand you are really deep into fish
But step back.
It's not rocket science.
At least have a few generations and not just a WC x a random.
You guys have done anything but Just trying to make a brand for yourselves and have recognition. It's OK. but don't argue like you are so smart and we are all blind and ignorant.
like as if your fish is so special out of the millions of Festaes ever born in the world. You act like when people go buy fish they look for the ugliest and poorest quality they can get and you are different you pick the nicest.
You act like you've unlocked something we've never seen. You act like All other peoples fish are messed up except for yours'.
I think you guys are doing fine whatever you do. We only care about fish that are nice, and there are plenty. They just need the right care to show what they have always been before you started keeping fish.
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