IMPORTANT Hawaii members in particular
- Thread starter Uncle.Ned
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i support this bill actually.first off,i dont plan on living in hawaii.second,it will keep overfishing/collecting to a stop.Honestly i see why this was made.its good to have lots of fish,no?But i think they do need to regulate this tropical fish collecting.it also seems as if most marine fishes come from hawaii,therefore making dives less enjoyable,too.i mean,everything in moderation,right??NEway,to narrow it down,i support this.It also will help some overfished fish poulations recover.
Sorry Uncle.Ned i'm a supporter too.... Even with the bill you get to take "140 A DAY".. How many fish do you need to take... I'm a diver also and i want some stuff to look at when i'm down there, not just a bunch of divers taking butt loads of fish to make profit off of
" I don't think there has been enough research to warrent this bill. It's good to get people thinking about the issues though."
thanks spotfin
the bill is for (If I read it right)
20 fish a day
5 yellow tangs per day maximum
so
let's say you get $5 - $10 per fish
on a diving trip
that's $200 at best
might as well be ZERO dollars
after you pay for
diving equipment
maintenance of above
a boat
maintenance of above
help
gas
and a thousand other things involving business
more important
is the preservation of the environment
the thing is
the OCEAN continually reproduces this valuable resource
as long as it is not wasted
or destroyed
it can reproduce forever
the classic example is people who think buying wild brazilian cardinal tetras is evil
...in fact ... the opposite is true...
preserve the environment = sell cardinal tetras for ever
if if the environment = employment there is no reason to destroy the environment
therefore
the selling of wild collected fish is good for the environment .. not bad
I understand your points,
it IS possible to over - fish a system
...so I am not oposed to reasonable limits
I am also not opposed to paying some more money to insure continued supply
but the retail price of a yellow tang has already gone from $35 - $75 in the last 3 years due to freight/fuel costs
bringing it from $75 - $300 would make it virtually un buyable
the last info I had was 200, 000 tangs a year were caught
so let's say 100, 000 a year is a better number to make sure there will always be some to take
that's fine
but to close the whole industry on the "I think so plan" is bad
more important is preserving the environment they reproduce in
(like not letting silt run into the ocean they need to live in)
I agree with spot fin
sensible research and real numbers are necesary before shutting everything down
thanks spotfin
the bill is for (If I read it right)
20 fish a day
5 yellow tangs per day maximum
so
let's say you get $5 - $10 per fish
on a diving trip
that's $200 at best
might as well be ZERO dollars
after you pay for
diving equipment
maintenance of above
a boat
maintenance of above
help
gas
and a thousand other things involving business
more important
is the preservation of the environment
the thing is
the OCEAN continually reproduces this valuable resource
as long as it is not wasted
or destroyed
it can reproduce forever
the classic example is people who think buying wild brazilian cardinal tetras is evil
...in fact ... the opposite is true...
preserve the environment = sell cardinal tetras for ever
if if the environment = employment there is no reason to destroy the environment
therefore
the selling of wild collected fish is good for the environment .. not bad
I understand your points,
it IS possible to over - fish a system
...so I am not oposed to reasonable limits
I am also not opposed to paying some more money to insure continued supply
but the retail price of a yellow tang has already gone from $35 - $75 in the last 3 years due to freight/fuel costs
bringing it from $75 - $300 would make it virtually un buyable
the last info I had was 200, 000 tangs a year were caught
so let's say 100, 000 a year is a better number to make sure there will always be some to take
that's fine
but to close the whole industry on the "I think so plan" is bad
more important is preserving the environment they reproduce in
(like not letting silt run into the ocean they need to live in)
I agree with spot fin
sensible research and real numbers are necesary before shutting everything down
I would also support this bill. When are we going to wake up and stop raping our oceans. If a very few people cant afford to collect fish, let them look for other work. What will make them happy, when they lose the jobs because of this bill or lose there job because there are simple no fish to collect?
how about instead of buying all the collectinequipment u use the money to breed fish????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
firslty the amounts boat cost i rekon u could setup some large 500 gal reef or fowlr breeding tanks. i as a fish tank builder have seen ppl orderfish taks fer propergation had some guy want a 5'6x3x2 same price as a 6x2.5x2.5if not less.
firslty the amounts boat cost i rekon u could setup some large 500 gal reef or fowlr breeding tanks. i as a fish tank builder have seen ppl orderfish taks fer propergation had some guy want a 5'6x3x2 same price as a 6x2.5x2.5if not less.
I am surprised it hasn't come sooner. Speaking as someone who works in the marine fish industry it was only a matter of time. Same thing happened in the Red Sea a couple years ago. And in Mexico. The tourist trade is far more important to these palces than the aquarium hobby, and having beautiful, fish filled coasts is paramount.
This will happen in Hawaii eventually, it's only a question of when.
This will happen in Hawaii eventually, it's only a question of when.
While it sounds all warm and fuzzy to institute limits on catch I can assure you it will not stop there. The special interest groups (in this case the dive tour operators) will not be satisfied with catch limits. They won't be happy until an all out ban is in place and it will happen. There is far more special interest money out there to have a lobby than the fish collectors could ever possibly challenge. And make no mistake, it's all about money. The tour operators want to make sure they have lots of fish to show off no matter where in the islands they take their customers. And the politicians love the money and the feel good feeling they get from creating these laws. If you don't believe that then ask yourself why they have not placed such harsh restrictions on commercial fishing for food fish. Those guys deplete the resources far more than ornamental collectors. If you haven't figured it out yet it is because they have high paid lobbyists working for them. Politicians want their palms greased and their agendas fulfilled and that takes money. No money, no office to sit in. There are plenty of marine preserves in the islands for divers to enjoy. And as far as breeding goes, to rear these fish from the larval stage to a sellable size would be far too costly and time consuming. Establishing places where it is legal to collect and where it is not legal is the best way to preserve the resource and keep everybody happy and in business. Once the government gets too heavily involved in such things it never turns out right anyway and you usually end up just paying more taxes and fees to do the same thing.
