Inbreeding.

[Randys]

I've always read that if you want to end up with a mated pair of cichlids you should start with a larger group and let them pair off naturally.
But if you buy a group of fish from a breeder isn't there a good chance they will come from the same brood? Is this a concern?

Do breeders ever put together groups from different broods?

Is it worth the effort (and expense) to buy from two different breeders at the same time? But even then, you'd just end up with groups from TWO different broods.

If you were REALLY concerned about inbreeding you would need to buy ONE fish from TEN different breeders.

LOL

Probably going overboard here eh?

 

[tlindsey]

I've always read that if you want to end up with a mated pair of cichlids you should start with a larger group and let them pair off naturally.
But if you buy a group of fish from a breeder isn't there a good chance they will come from the same brood? Is this a concern?

Do breeders ever put together groups from different broods?

Is it worth the effort (and expense) to buy from two different breeders at the same time? But even then, you'd just end up with groups from TWO different broods.

If you were REALLY concerned about inbreeding you would need to buy ONE fish from TEN different breeders.

LOL

Probably going overboard here eh?

Some breeders will only allow the pair from a group spawn a few times and yes seperate and add different brood. Inbreeding will create poor genetic's and deformities.

 

[white specter crayfish]

I think it would only be an issue to some extent, but you would have to inbreed them so much to do that, I'd say just watch out for their health and stuff to make sure they're ok, that's just my opinion atleast.

 

[Randys]

So, a couple of generations of inbreeding is nothing to be concerned of?

 

[white specter crayfish]

So, a couple of generations of inbreeding is nothing to be concerned of?

I doubt it, just watch them to make sure there are no negative traits (ie deformities, being prone to sickness, etc.), matter a fact a lot of fish were creating through inbreeding to make more desirable fish like various Asian Arowana

 

[RD.]

So, a couple of generations of inbreeding is nothing to be concerned of?

Not if you are starting out with otherwise healthy stock.

 

[dan518]

Part of the summary on a paper looking in to inbreeding among wild cichlids.


Here we show that both sexes of Pelvicachromis taeniatus, an African cichlid with biparental brood care, prefer mating with unfamiliar close kin over nonkin, suggesting inclusive fitness advantages for inbreeding individuals. Biparental care requires synchronous behavior among parents. Since parental care is costly [13], there is a conflict between parents over care 12, 14, which can reduce offspring fitness [15]. Relatedness is expected to enhance cooperation among individuals

But as Rd said, it all depends on the original stock.

 

[troublesum]

So i have a pair of Jeff Rapps Gold Barred Midas, as far as i know, he has the only wild caught pair so i cant find another female unless i go to his collection point. My male is older than the female. by a year will it be Ok for them to breed?

 

[dan518]

So i have a pair of Jeff Rapps Gold Barred Midas, as far as i know, he has the only wild caught pair so i cant find another female unless i go to his collection point. My male is older than the female. by a year will it be Ok for them to breed?

Probably siblings but should be fine. They will be f1 or f2, after 4 generations is when you need to start putting new blood in there.

 

[troublesum]

Probably siblings but should be fine. They will be f1 or f2, after 4 generations is when you need to start putting new blood in there.

My male and Female are F1 but how would i put new blood in if all the broods come from Jeff Rapps pair if mine produce babies does that mean the babies are F2?