Info required on Jaguar cichlid

[newworld]

Is this difference prominent in juveniles or not. Can i use it to defferentiate between male and female jaguar cichlids in juveniles too?

Thanks. i plan to grow out mine then put it in my 500 gallon predator pond
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They can be tough to tell the difference, normally around 5 inches you can guess pretty good, some strains are easier to sex at a smaller size too, spawning normally around 4-5” like most parachromis..

 

[Hybridfish7]

I asked growth rate not max size. I already know that. Also is there no other way to tell their gender without venting since i can't vent them when buying them.

1. What is their growth rate
2. How to differentiate between a male and female juvenile jaguar cichlid
3. Their tank mates
4.Their required tank size

1. 1 in per month, heard of 2
2. Females will have the bars on their face but will lack the dots inbetween
3. Unless you have a huge tank I would not suggest tankmates... However across their range some of the bigger things they occur alongside include the entirety of the cribroheros and amphilophus genera. Multi thousand gallon tank you can get away with whatever, there's that guy on Instagram that has them with Asian aros/dovii/trimacs/festae etc
4. Something with a 6x2 footprint (180/210) would suffice for awhile but they do regularly hit 24" in captivity (28" 15 lbs is the world record)... I would do 8x3 long run if you can... Relatively small pair would probably do fine in the 6x2 for awhile

 

[Cichlids-r-beasts]

1. With a good varied diet, around an inch per month, until they hit around 10-12 inches and then it slows down. Size ranges from 8-12 inch for the average female. Males generally in the region of 12-16 inches, but can get to 20 inches or more in ideal conditions.
2. As a juvenile both sexes look the same, but when they hit that 4-6 inch range is when you can start gendering individuals. Males have much more spots on the gill plate and face as compared to females and throughout the body. They’re generally a silverish to golden brown color from what I’ve seen. Unpaired fins are also more pointed. Females are also golden brown but lack the spotting, will keep the bars and unpaired fins are slightly shorter and rounder.
3. I wouldn’t keep them with tankmates unless you have something like a 400g or more.
4. Ideally an 8 foot would suffice for a pair for life, but like Hybridfish7 said, a smaller pair would do fine in a 6 footer for a bit.

 

[abominus]

Thanks for the info Hybridfish7 and Cichlids-r-beasts . My pond is big but not that big. It has a RD, snakehead, RTC and pacu. All the fish are chill especially the RD. I will grow out the jag and add it. If there are any problems, i will remove it. However i am just doing research on them before going to the pet store. I may buy something else.

 

[Cichlids-r-beasts]

Thanks for the info Hybridfish7 and Cichlids-r-beasts . My pond is big but not that big. It has a RD, snakehead, RTC and pacu. All the fish are chill especially the RD. I will grow out the jag and add it. If there are any problems, i will remove it. However i am just doing research on them before going to the pet store. I may buy something else.

I don’t want to be a downer but RTC’s require thousands of gallons and so do Pacu, both fish get huge. Snakeheads are pretty aggressive and when mature they may cause problems to all the fish there, the RD is also a ticking time bomb. Adding a Jaguar cichlid which can potentially get to 1 foot and a half or more will cause more problems in my opinion.

 

[abominus]

I don’t want to be a downer but RTC’s require thousands of gallons and so do Pacu, both fish get huge. Adding a Jaguar cichlid which can potentially get to 1 foot and a half or more will cause more problems in my opinion.

i am well aware. A plan is already underway for providing a bigger home for these fish once they outgrow this one. Thanks for showing concern for my fish. I am just gathering info on jags and have not finalized my decision on adding one. if you doubt that i have providen a small home for my fish then you can check out my thread '500 gallon predator pond"

 

[Gears]

A good rule of them for sexing by visual appearance is that females have more of a bar striped pattern. Males, especially mature specimens, will be almost completely spotted with no barring. The mouth structure is also different in shape but that’s usually prominent in mature Jags. Also, alike other aggressive cichlids, I would not recommend housing in large tanks with few tank mates. ( I believe there’s a such belief of too big of a tank or space for this fish). I would only seperate jags by themselves if you have a breeding pair. I’ve done this successfully multiple times with a single pair in a 90 gallon tank with multiple places for the female to hide. If not breeding, do not seperate them because they will become extremely aggressive in nature and kill anything that enters that tank. I always take the male out about 5-7 days after fry are free swimming, I never leave the male in until I move the fry out. I’ve housed jags, dovii and rays in one tank just to give you an idea, and once I seperate them for breeding, they would never tolerate anything else in their tank. Jags grow very quickly depending on feeding frequency, I would say they can reach max size from 2” in about 1.5 years if feeding once a day until it’s full.

 

[abominus]

A good rule of them for sexing by visual appearance is that females have more of a bar striped pattern. Males, especially mature specimens, will be almost completely spotted with no barring. The mouth structure is also different in shape but that’s usually prominent in mature Jags. Also, alike other aggressive cichlids, I would not recommend housing in large tanks with few tank mates. ( I believe there’s a such belief of too big of a tank or space for this fish). I would only seperate jags by themselves if you have a breeding pair. I’ve done this successfully multiple times with a single pair in a 90 gallon tank with multiple places for the female to hide. If not breeding, do not seperate them because they will become extremely aggressive in nature and kill anything that enters that tank. I always take the male out about 5-7 days after fry are free swimming, I never leave the male in until I move the fry out. I’ve housed jags, dovii and rays in one tank just to give you an idea, and once I seperate them for breeding, they would never tolerate anything else in their tank. Jags grow very quickly depending on feeding frequency, I would say they can reach max size from 2” in about 1.5 years if feeding once a day until it’s full.

Thanks for the info

 

[cockroach]

here's video to give you an idea.
By the time your RTC is get large your jag will be 6-7" if you lucky.

 

[Caperguy99]

I was originally considering parachromis stocking for my 210. I watched a bunch of Guapote Mel’s videos on YouTube - he has decades of experience. Might be worth checking out.