Interior of Spiracles are Red

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abortedsoul

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I saw something that unnerved me a little tonight. The insides of the spiracles on both of our rays were red in color; with the camera I currently have available I was unable to capture a picture that showed what I was talking about. What would cause the insides (behind their "flaps", the mechanisms that open and close to control the flow of water to the gills from the spiracles) of a ray's head to be abnormally red? The first couple of times I saw it, I figured it was a play of the light or something. I continued to observe, and sure enough both of my rays are like this.

Has anyone else ever encountered this issue before? I've never seen anything like it.

Update: Water params are perfect, and the temp is a golden, steady 82F. The tank is completely covered up with blankets, and the rays are receiving as much food as they can eat. The male (Thadeus) was eating weakly during the last few feedings; Tabitha (the female) refused food to the point of spitting it out when a worm was crawling into her mouth (as I was viewing them from underneath the bare bottomed tank), although she might have already eaten her fill in between feedings while I wasn't observing her.

P.S.- If any new ray keepers are reading this, never use medication before double checking, even if another ray keeper recommends it unless you really trust them. Hopefully the rays will make a full (and swift!) recovery, and we were lucky to get some good advice and have time to act quickly on it- but it might not always work out that way. FlukeTabs have wreaked hell on our two rays, and this sucks beyond all reason.
 
Okay I might catch some heat for this but I would have to say a sharp substrate would cause this symptom... in fact this is exactly what I would expect.

or...

It could be damage from Fluke Tabs, sudden changes in pH (hyperplasia), ammonia poisoning from shipping, etc.. its tough to say??
 
Miles;2451622; said:
Okay I might catch some heat for this but I would have to say a sharp substrate would cause this symptom... in fact this is exactly what I would expect.

or...

It could be damage from Fluke Tabs, sudden changes in pH (hyperplasia), ammonia poisoning from shipping, etc.. its tough to say??

I've been testing the PH reasonably frequently, so I doubt it is that. The ammonia shipping thing might be true with the male, but they are both exhibiting the symptom. I would put my money on the fluke tabs, but it might also be caused (or just aggravated) by the sand.
 
Usually sharp substrates will also have an effect on the underside of the ray near the gill slits.. but from the pix you posted earlier I didn't notice any of the common symptoms.

I hope they get better soon!
 
abortedsoul;2451664; said:
I've been testing the PH reasonably frequently, so I doubt it is that. The ammonia shipping thing might be true with the male, but they are both exhibiting the symptom. I would put my money on the fluke tabs, but it might also be caused (or just aggravated) by the sand.

Oops.. hyperplasia is usually caused from ammonia and dirty water, scarring of the tissues that make up the surface on the gills.. Would be more from shipping and ammonia spikes..

Usually rays arent effected by swings in pH but it always makes me wonder.. the RO water might have been unstable and it would have caused some swings but I have never seen redness from any of that.

Not even gonna comment on sand..
 
Miles;2451709; said:
Not even gonna comment on sand..

Promise?

LOL:ROFL:
 
Aya ... it seems like you are really unlucky with rays, ey? Hope they get better reall soon. It is a very stressful experience indeed for the ray and YOU.
 
ctoychik;2451871; said:
Aya ... it seems like you are really unlucky with rays, ey? Hope they get better reall soon. It is a very stressful experience indeed for the ray and YOU.

They appear to be recovering at a reasonable pace, although I'm worried about the recovery of any possible damage that happened to their organ systems. Any serious problems of that nature may take a couple of weeks to manifest themselves.

I don't think that I'm unlucky with rays; just one problem (admittedly a rather heavy one), but it is a misstep that we will not be repeating again.
 
mike talked about this before.... it sounds more like a bacteria infection...
 
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