Intermedia, we'll see....
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jcardona1;4204646; said:ive been asking the same question for the longest time now. with all these supposedly "wild caught" orinos, why dont we see intermedias? afterall, the come from the same bodies of water. and if you spend some time looking at south american fishing forums, youll see that guys catch intermedias as often as they do orinos. so why arent fisherman exporting these highly sought-after fish that?
why? because we're all being misled, that is why. ive said it before, i dont think all these cichla are truly wild caught. people are just being suckered by a marketing gimmick that is genius. call them "wild caught" and slap a premium on them. the bitter truth is, that wild caught or not makes no difference really. and besides, you cant tell if a fish is wild or not just by looking at it. so then what?
It's like Transformers....."More than meets the eye".....
I would only believe the following;
1. Sellers who physically went to SA and collected the fish themselves. There is an over seas vendor who even has DVD's that showcase his excursions. Now, if this person collects a certain specie of fish and brings back a handful or a few dozen and sells them based on where they were collected, would you believe it? I'd put my money on it.
2. Hobbyist that you've had the pleasure of doing business with. Will not name them as they know who they are. Vendors who has a history/track record of providing the goods as described, e.g.. Seiichi (not a vendor but has shipped some fish to the U.S), Rarefish, Infinite Aquatics..etc. Not no overnight vendor who all of sudden has a fish that no one else can provide.
3. You physically collect yourself..
Things I wouldn't believe.
1. Vendors who state, "Well it say's on the invoice"
2. Some no name hobbyist who all of a sudden has connections.
3. A person who has a friend of a friend who's aunt is married to someone's cousin....Blah..blah..blah...
Basically, if it's too good to be true, it probably is.
Heck I see Orino's, Kelberi's, Azuls, headed the same path as MONO's and OCCE's. It's just a matter of time before it get's genetically F'd up in captive breeding facilities. It will be years down the road or could be sooner.
R1_Ridah;4233074; said:Now that would be a trip of a lifetime for sure!!!!I would definatly be usen the fly rod 24 -7X-Tank;4232459; said:they are actually solid 3" now.lol[/QUOTE
Just plan your trip bro....
R1_Ridah;4233071; said:
I agree 100%! The flood gates have been opened lately for some members who overnight have become "Vendors", providing a short list of fish and labeling them as WC. Some of these "Vendors" locally have advertised their Pbass as "WC Orinos" which I doubt
1.) That they know if they're truly WC
2.) That they even know the difference in the variations but only bring them in because they're the "hot" ticket and will move in bulk.
For that reason I'd rather take my money, pay for shipping and buy from verified importers who know their fish. (and not a local guy who went from flipping flowerhorns to being an Importer/Vendor by paying the fee). Don't get me wrong, we still have several LEGIT vendors such as Infinate Aquatics, Wes and Charlie.... it's just the other "little guys".
I'm going to have to agree about the WC advertising...
How is it really possible that thousands of the same species are suddenly available all over the world (yes, not just America), and are so small?
Chances of all these cichla being truly WC is slim IMO.
How is it really possible that thousands of the same species are suddenly available all over the world (yes, not just America), and are so small?
Chances of all these cichla being truly WC is slim IMO.
Well I came up with 103. I counted 3 times. I'm going to call Paul today to see if that is a 100% certain marker for C. intermedia. Yesterday I asked him if C. intermedia shoal with other species similar to how C. kelberi and C. piquiti do in Brazil. He said that the three species occupy different niches in the river. The only time any two of them meet would be at spawning time and those two are C. temensis and C. orinocensis. C. intermedia stays in the high flow, rocky part of the river. C. temensis likes the slow flow deeper lagoons and C. orinocensis likes the slow flow shallower lagoons. So from him saying that I think it would be impossible for a collector to mistake this species with another given the were found in the right niche in the river. Here are two papers if you guys want to read some more on the three species. http://www2.fiu.edu/~laymanc/PDFs/pdf%201.pdf http://wfsc.tamu.edu/winemiller/lab/Jepsen_etal_JFB97.pdf
