international channa meeting .

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Auke;2540685; said:
Hi Flemming,

in order to make it all possible, it's necessary for as many people attending, to sleep at Meppels Inn. The costs are as low as possible and they should stay that way. Even I, I'm living about 2 km from the venue, am sleeping over there.

regards,
Auke

and of course it will mean we can all have a jolly good drink in the bar on a night and not worry about driving or getting home somehow . makes sense



to anyone that does not know auke , he along with uli (baloo) is organising this whole thing. auke is in charge of the i.g.l and uli as most of you allready know is in charge of snakeheadsuk.



i am going to try and organise car sharing for northern england , uli will be covering the south along with a couple of others , and we have another member trying to rally the scottish boys and girls together. at the moment i will also try and rally the boys and girls from irland.

when we know numbers we can put people from similar areas in diferant countries in touth with each other if they would like to try and organise car sharing , this will most likely be the cheepest option to get there for most of us. as auke said we are trying to get everyone or as many as possable to stay at the venue , the more we can get to stay there the better for everyone. and again means we can all have a good old drink together
 
Hi. Look, I know that I can't join this meeting (I'm 17 years old. I'm 4th year High school and will soon be going to college. Won't be able to keep any monster setups till I'm done with college and work training. Will only be able to keep either a 23 or 30-40 g aquarium and Live-Bearing Toothcarps/Danios during the 5-6 years before I could start.), but, do you think a certain concern could be raised?

The concern I'm talking about is related the possible UK Channa ban. As you said back in the Barca thread I made, this would seriously put the Channa hobby to an almost grinding halt.

To the concern itself, would the possibility of making a Channa farm/breeding facility be brought up as a topic?
 
AU_Arowana-RG;2544475; said:
Hi. Look, I know that I can't join this meeting (I'm 17 years old. I'm 4th year High school and will soon be going to college. Won't be able to keep any monster setups till I'm done with college and work training. Will only be able to keep either a 23 or 30-40 g aquarium and Live-Bearing Toothcarps/Danios during the 5-6 years before I could start.), but, do you think a certain concern could be raised?

The concern I'm talking about is related the possible UK Channa ban. As you said back in the Barca thread I made, this would seriously put the Channa hobby to an almost grinding halt.

To the concern itself, would the possibility of making a Channa farm/breeding facility be brought up as a topic?


hi mate , there is people in india looking into this , and there is allready farms set up for micro straita and a couple of others , although theese have been set up for the food industry , the can apply for a deseise free status and be allowed to ship into europe. as things stand a whole counrty i.e. india or burma ect could also apply for a deseise free status , but erradicating the deseise from the wild is a near impossable task so very unlikely they would meet the requirments. the ban was postponed for this very reason to allow countries farms and breeders to gain a deseise free status. there are other countries in asia that have large scale farms that are used for the ornimental fish industry and as snakehead become more popular i would expect these to cash in also.



as far as the meeting ,the i.g.l and snakeheadsuk are concerned , none of us have the sort of money needed to get into a venture of that kind , as we are made up of everyday aquarists ect . the best we can hope for as a group is to have all our members trying to breed every species we can to gain captive stocks within europe. just about everyone who is attending the meeting will be interested in breeding channa and parachanna , most people who will attend will allready have a group or indeed in some cases many groups or pairs of fish with breeding in mind , it will also be the perfect oppertunity for a swap of fish , and bring back some fish that you cannot find in your home town , and learn the things that have worked for other people. ultamately the future of channa in the trade for europe will be down to people who manage to breed them and pass on offspring for others to breed.

this is not all bad , take a look at pulchra , since the first few managed to breed them and pass on what it took to breed them ,they are now many available through europe and at a price that is a fraction of what it costs for a wild imported one. the sad part is some will no doubt not be bred before the time is up (barca is an example) and these may well disapear from the trade. also the fact that channa are still being found , new varients turn up almost monthly , in india some exporters know where new varieties live , but getting equiptment to the area to catch them is very hard ,many of these areas are undeveloped or are in unstable areas , and the exporters are just waiting for the area to become stable or new roads build ect to allow them to get to these areas. there is a good chance this will not happen before a ban.


as it stands at the moment i belive between all the hobbiests ,over time we could establish a supply of the following:


pulchra - many people managed to breed

ornatipinis - not yet bred but many breeders have these
blehri - many people managed to breed
gachua - the easiest to breed and many varients are in breeders hands
maruloides- only one person have bred upto now but good signs
aurantimaculata- only one person bred upto now - many in breeders hands
maculata - have been bred and a new supply has been found so looks good
sp.assam - have been bred and many in breeders hands
orientalis - have been bred and many in breeders hands

sp five stripe - have been bred - few in breeders hands
sp green fins - have been bred and few in breeders hands
stewarti - have been bred and fair few in breeders hands and most varients

panaw - have been bred by one person - few in breeders hands
lucius - have been bred - few in breeders hands
micropeltis- farmed for food and aquarium trade
straita - farmed for food and aquarium trade
barca- not bred yet two known pairs in captivity so breeding possable
bankanensis- bred in captivity few in breeders hands
punchata - bred in captivity and fair few in breeders hands
marulia - farmed for the food trade and poss aquarium trade
pleuro - wild caught only would disapear but many in breeders hands

amphibius - none now in captivity and unlikly to be in time
cyanospilos - would disapear
nox- would disapear
diplo- all are wild caught but hopefully enough will be imported to breed
burmanica - would disapear
melasoma - there is a few pairs in breeders hands that have bred
obscura - many in breeders hands and breeding

africana many in breeders hands and breeding

insignis - would disapear
asiatica - few in breeders hands and breeding



i have probably missed some out there or got a couple wrong but that is just of the top of my head , and if things stayed as they are now . a lot of us went out and bought what we could find when the ban was originally due to come into effect . so a lot of peoples stock ,like mine is still fairly young , but next year should hopefully be a good year as far as breeding channa goes ,and i would expect to start seeing a far bigger choice through people managing to breed them.



cheers col
 
flemming;2542041; said:
you are right about that,er is also an airport at Leeuwarden.
but those aren't really international airports,the only real airpot in holland is Schiphol.

and your right about that :-) They do however have flights to Aberdeen, Machester and Norwich.

regards,
Auke
 
update
right guys and gals

here is the latest

update from auke


So here are the prices per person/night:

30-34 participants = € 28,50 Bed, Breakfast, Diner
35- 40 participants = € 27,90 Bed, Breakfast, Diner
40 + participants = € 26,60 Bed, Breakfast, Diner

"Therates above are based on min. 4 participants per room. Of course it ispossible to use some rooms as 2 or 3 bedded rooms. There will be asurcharge for no more then € 5,00 per person per night. Bedsheets areincluded , but not the towels. These can be rented at reception. Forlarge numbers we like to know this in advance. "

A pre-paymentof € 50.-- per person is sufficient. All participants from the UKshould transfer this to Uli. All others can send me an e-mail pugnax@home.nl after wich I will return a mail with the bank-details.

regards,
Auke


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just to add a quick note : uli is not well at the moment so please be patiant if trying to reach him , he should be back up and running shortly.



so for all who want to secure a place for this meet if you can please contact either auke at pugnax@home.nl or uli via snakeheadsuk if you are a uk member. this will secure places and let us know true numbers involved.


again this meet will be the highlight of the year for any channa fans next year.



cheers guys

col


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just to add a quick note : uli is not well at the moment so please be patiant if trying to reach him , he should be back up and running shortly.



so for all who want to secure a place for this meet if you can please contact either auke at pugnax@home.nl or uli via snakeheadsuk if you are a uk member. this will secure places and let us know true numbers involved.


again this meet will be the highlight of the year for any channa fans next year.



cheers guys

col


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Hi Colin
I'm up and running again, pumped up with antibiotics, steroids and antihistamine to make sure it does not reoccure
nobody know what caused it but i was damn painful and most unplesent
also unfortunatly to my unplaned stay in hospital i'm a full week behind with my work and got to get down to it or payment this year is out of the window
who says being selfemployed is a good way to be:screwy:
for those reasons and the xmass holidays i have to devote to friends an family i will not be able to get down to any seious buisness until next year
my apollogies for this and i hope those who try and want to get in touch will be forgiving, patient and understanding
 
now is the time .

for all people wanting to attent the 2009 international snakehead meeting in holland

for those who wish to book accomadation at the venue we will be useing , deposits are being taken now .

for all uk members please visit this thread at snakeheadsuk for details of payment ect , uli will be taking payment for all uk members and booking accomadation at the venue

for all international members please pm auke either on this forum or on the snakeheadsuk forum , as auke will take payment / deposits for everyone else.

this is to garrentie your accomidation is reserved and is at the group price agreed with the venue.

obviously anyone is welcome to come along at the time , but will need to secure there own accomadation and we can not garrentie you will receive the same rate thats been agreed or indeed that the venue its self will have spaces spare.

i hopefully we will get a good mfk representation at the meeting , and i will look forward to meeting some of you .


many thanks guys , and any questions either fire away here or contact either uli or auke

cheers col
 
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