Is Fatherfish trying to form a cult lol

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How is he wrong?

I don't know how many FF videos you've seen. Some of his claims, such as the "stop cleaning your tank" type video carry a lot of merit. But not all his claims can to do the same. All his various claims are based on his type of set up, which are typically lightly stocked, lightly fed and heavily planted tanks. Therefore, in his mind, his success can be achieved on ALL types of set ups. This is the bone of contention for me. He seems to throw a blanket over it all.

As an example, he says never change your water, and that nitrate build up is basically a non issue. Now, in his heavily planted, lightly fed minimally stocked set ups nitrate is indeed a non issue for him, it probably barely registers, so he disregards the whole nitrate myth as hogwash in aquariums!

I could easily disregard the nitrate thing as well in my lightly stocked, lightly fed part planted hex tank. I haven't done a water change, nor vacuumed this tank since I set it up. Nitrate is constantly 0ppm in this tank. So what?

Does that mean that I can treat my heavily stocked unplanted 360 the same, and never do water changes. Absolutely not, my nitrate creep is substantial in this tank, hence large weekly water changes.

Basically he is right on a fair bit of stuff but he should state categorically in his videos, before he starts, that his methods may not work for certain types of set ups.....but he doesn't do this. That is my only gripe with him really.
 
Lol, I am typically onto a video link like a watersnake onto a frog...but I won't watch this one, because I am consciously avoiding the Fishy Father and his blandishments in an effort to reduce the number of times he crops up in my suggested video feeds. I'm sick of seeing his vids. Sorry, I can't believe that this one is any different than all the others.

esoxlucius esoxlucius is being very diplomatic in his assessment of FF; the guy isn't totally nuts, but he takes an idea that is not without some merit and carries it to ridiculous extremes. I like his notion of low stocking levels, lots of plants, and a generally natural approach to aquarium husbandry; I think there is a lot of art in the science. But the guy is a salesman, a huckster of the lowest order; he creates this quasi-mystical aura of The Natural Way and then usually insinuates into it a suggestion that you buy something from him. His main method for achieving this is to tell you how easy it all is, how you don't need to do any work, how everything will be fine, your tank will just take care of itself, your water will only get better with age. How about it; does this video break that mold? Be honest...

This appeals to beginners who have been bumbling around buying filters and pumps and water treatments and medicines and who-knows-what-else; they have often been wasting huge amounts of money, time and effort on futile BS that doesn't help their fish stay healthy, so being told that they can put their feet up and let Mother Nature do all the work has a lot of appeal to them. But...they still want 50 fish in their 10-gallon tanks, and they still want to feed their fish every day using a shovel, and they still won't quarantine, won't research new purchases and won't exercise any patience. Honestly, I don't know how some of them even manage to listen to FF at all; the guy talks so dang slowly that it's like watching grass grow.

Take everything he says with a large chunk of rocksalt. When the guy tells you that you can just let your fish s**t and p**s and fornicate in water forever without it ever needing a change...use some common sense and go "hmmmmm...." And when somebody tells you something that your gut and your intellect warn you might be utter BS...well, everything that person says after that point should be considered suspect as well.

There are really only two people in this hobby who can be completely trusted: Esox and me. And I'm not 100% sure about him...:ROFL:
 
I don't mind father fish. I don't keep tanks that way and am not interested in trying it, personally. But that's also why his videos are interesting to me. A side of fishkeeping I'm not involved in. Also why I watch saltwater videos despite never having a SW tank. There are other channels that do the 'natural' tanks that I prefer to Father Fish, largely because they are more honest about the limits of fishkeeping that way.
 
This FF gentleman gets too much incidental interest here and it's time to suggest a perspective that may put to rest some of his clickbait BS.

You cannot replicate nature by dropping a deuce in your tank, dropping a back yard mud clod in it or any other nonsensical dreck he uses to make his dirt tank concepts seem within the realm of reason to some. You can't replicate nature.

Can you do something that might make some of his comments seem at least minimally reasonable? Yes, and that would be that you put so few fish in the tank that the inhabitants are unlikely to asphyxiate in a slurry of their own waste before they expire of some other ostensibly natural cause. He's not presenting new science and the tanks he would be able to successfully keep would be strikingly lightly stocked and look like ass.

If you want a clean tank stocked with enough fish and inverts to be interesting to watch you can not follow his half truths. Similarly, if you want to go beyond neon tetras such that you're keeping livestock that are carnivorous or even significantly larger than a neon there's zero chance you'll be able to stay ahead of NO3 toxicity utilizing his half baked boloney.

The concepts of being a monster fish keeper and adhering to his goofy ideas are mutually exclusive.
 
Very easy to pass judgement while self admittedly only partially watching two videos. You might not like him but calling him a chomo seems pretty childish. Furthermore if you watched any substantial amount of his videos youd realize he has heavily stocked tanks as well as lightly stocked tanks. His tanks and system are also much more than "flinging some mud from the backyard" into the tank. His methods are all based in science and do work.
Another point of contention i take is this notion that you cant run a tank without water changes. It has been done for decades by others not just fatherfish. I myself have ran 3 tanks of varying sizes and different stock levels with deep substrates without water changes for more than 6 years now with zero issues. And since switching to the father fish method the difference is night and day. It simplifies the fish keeping experience, reduces the need for extraneous equipment, and allows for beautiful planted tanks run in an easier and more natural way by creating a system that maintains itself for the most part.

Speaking so negatively and childishly about the system and man while refusing to even learn what it actually is is goofy. Step out of your own "cult" mindset and learn some. It wont hurt. And you dont have to drink the Koolaid if you dont agree in the end, but learning will only aid you in the hobby you enjoy in the end.
Watch the videos dont watch the videos, enjoy them or dont, learn from them or dont, but at least keep an open mind. Being irrationally close minded and adverse to an outside opposing idea is exactly what cults do.
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Another point of contention i take is this notion that you cant run a tank without water changes. It has been done for decades by others not just fatherfish. I myself have ran 3 tanks of varying sizes and different stock levels with deep substrates without water changes for more than 6 years now with zero issues.
Just curious because I’ve never kept any tanks without water changes.
What size tanks and stock do you keep in these 3 tanks?
 
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I have two tanks less than 20 gallons and the third is 140gallons. The 140 gallons has 12 khuli 12 oto + babies 2 bushynose 1 clown pleco 9 rainbow fish 1 pair apisto macmasteri 1 large gourami 2 sae 7 amano 14 pygmy cory 11 diamond tetra 15 emperor tetra 11 green fire tetra 9 five line barbs and 1 coconut shrimp
One of the small tanks has a betta and 26 pheonix rasbora 1 bushynose and 3 amano
The other small tank is my daughters and she has in it 1 betta and a colony of neocaridina that is 4 years old 2 amano and a plethora of nerites ramshorns bladders and mts in all three
 
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I have two tanks less than 20 gallons and the third is 140gallons. The 140 gallons has 12 khuli 12 oto + babies 2 bushynose 1 clown pleco 9 rainbow fish 1 pair apisto macmasteri 1 large gourami 2 sae 7 amano 14 pygmy cory 11 diamond tetra 15 emperor tetra 11 green fire tetra 9 five line barbs and 1 coconut shrimp
One of the small tanks has a betta and 26 pheonix rasbora 1 bushynose and 3 amano
The other small tank is my daughters and she has in it 1 betta and a colony of neocaridina that is 4 years old 2 amano and a plethora of nerites ramshorns bladders and mts in all three
Have you ever kept any large messy eating or carnivores in a “no water change system “?
Do you have plants in any of these systems?
In the 140 you never do water changes?
What type of filtration do you use?
 
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