Is New Life Spectrum all that?

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Is this product all that its hyped up to be?


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I feed my cichlids NLS, but to be honest I can't say I notice a difference. They like it, but they like everything I throw in. I give them frozen shrimp, bloodworms, mysis, etc. as treats.

Not too pricey. The one food I don't buy anymore is Hikari - way overpriced in my opinion! Used to feed my goldfish hikari, now I use pro-gold, which IS one food I'd say is different than the rest.
 
Potts050;2554020; said:
So no one else is noticing the wicked garlic smell. UI wonder if I got a bad batch....

The last two 5-lb buckets I bought stunk up my fishroom with the stench of garlic. The last 5 lb bucket barely smells at all. My understanding from speaking to a local wholesaler is that they changed the formula.
 
I think Spectrum is excellent, i have had my Moorish Idol for 1 year and 6 months and i hand feed him the Thera+A large fish formula. When my LFS has run out and i have been without it for a month or so i give him the Hikari (same sized pellet and he eats the same amount) and i notice a slight weight/size difference in him after a week or so.

All my fish love the stuff and i also give them brine and mysis everyday.

I do believe it is expensive, at $33aus for 150grams, but that won't stop me buying it.
 
The literarture says that you are suposed to feed NLS exclusively to your fish in order to meet their nutritional requirements and avoid any digetive complications. Does anyone avoid feeding everything else and use only NLS?

I've been feeding NLS exclusively for a number of years, with great results. Having said that, I'm also a personal friend of the creator of NLS fish food, as well as the main distributor of his food in Canada.
I have absolutely nothing to hide, and I use the same ID on every forum that I visit.

I'm not here to sell anyone anything, simply to respond a few of the comments posted thus far.
I only sell to retail outlets, so please no PM's. :D

FYI - I'm not sure what literature you've read, but that is not what myself or anyone from New Life has stated as the reason for feeding exclusively.

One of the main reasons that feeding NLS exclusively is promoted by Pablo Tepoot (the owner of New Life), is simple, and has nothing to do with eliminating the competition, or some type of slick marketing. It has to do with the fact that there is no way that he can determine exactly what is in other foods, only that his food is the only food that he knows of that can keep a number of very delicate marine species alive, long term, in pristine health. If someone complained that their Regal Tang or Moorish Idol withered away after a few months in captivity, after eating some NLS, and a variety of other fresh/frozen foods, how would he possibly be able to respond to such a complaint? Neither Pablo nor myself have ever condemned other feeding methods.

Below is a direct quote from an in-depth nutrition article that Pablo wrote.

Many people might wonder why exclusively?
The beauty of New Life Spectrum is the simplicity of a sole food that provides your fish an optimal diet. Sometimes hobbyists that keep reef aquariums are able to maintain healthy fish with frequent water changes (adding trace elements), addition of vitamins and minerals, and numerous sources of foods that are comprised of a balanced diet. But, with New Life Spectrum anyone can take the guesswork and mystery out of fish feeding and maintain thriving fish reliably and consistently. In other words, you can utilize complex methods and your fish may thrive, or you can use a very simple method of feeding New Life Spectrum and watch your fish thrive. The choice is entirely up to you.




My understanding from speaking to a local wholesaler is that they changed the formula.

I'm not sure who you've been talking to, but that info is incorrect. With the exception of the TherA formulas, the rest of the formulas all contain the same amount of garlic as they have for yrs, and the only change made over the past couple of yrs is the inclusion of a fruit & vegetable extract.

Yes, it's a potent food, and with that potency comes a more intense smell & flavour. As far as cost, it's impossible to judge any food by sticker price alone, you need to look at the BIG picture, as in the quality of all of the ingredients, the order of those ingredients, and more importantly the total digestibility of those ingredients. The more digestible a food is, the less you can feed, which means cleaner water, less overall
maintenance, and less overall cost per ounce/pound. IMO many hobbyists tend to overfeed with this food, a little goes a long ways.

As far as protein content, and I have stated this many times over the years, the protein % found on a fish food label, is nothing more than the nitrogen content found in the food, by someone wearing a white lab coat. It doesn't tell you how digestible that protein is, or isn't. The value of protein is directly related to the amino acid content, and it's overall digestibility by the fish.

So my advice has always been, forget about the overall protein % found on a label, and take a closer look at the ingredients that make up that percentage. You can't simply compare the protein % found on a label, and come to any conclusions as to which food is actually going to supply your fish with more protein. The only protein % that counts, is the percentage of protein that your fish can actually digest. A fish food label could state 45% crude protein, but if only 60% of that crude protein is in a form that's available to the fish, then suddenly that figure on the label becomes somewhat meaningless to the average consumer.



HTH
 
Thanks RD for taking the time to contribute to the thread. If I can prevail upon you to answer a few questions about NLS:
  1. I've noticed a marked change in the feces of the fish since I started feeding NLS. There is definately less ash and filler in this food. You mentioned that people tend to overfeed with NLS and overfeeding has its own problems (fat fish and the need to change water sooner). As compared to other premium brands, how much less food should we be giving them?
  2. Is it okay to pack as much food in to growing fry and juveniles as they are willing to eat, since their metabolic rates are higher to begin with?
  3. When is the earliest you can start feeding NLS to fry?
 
No problem, glad to help. I'm a hobbyist at heart just like everyone else on this forum.


1) I've noticed a marked change in the feces of the fish since I started feeding NLS. There is definately less ash and filler in this food. You mentioned that people tend to overfeed with NLS and overfeeding has its own problems (fat fish and the need to change water sooner). As compared to other premium brands, how much less food should we be giving them?

I think that's something that one has to experiment with their fish, in their tanks. It's not exactly a question that has a definitive answer. There are also factors that would apply, that one may not always see with the naked eye. (beyond just growth rates)

As an example, it's difficult to compare the vitamin & mineral content from one brand to the next, unless you know the exact quantities used by each manufacturer. Perhaps a fish that is in a very non stressful environment (such as a healthy lone adult oscar in a 240 gallon tank) will remain healthy on minimal nutrient levels, where as several oscars, cramped in to a much smaller tank, will require a much higher level of those same nutrients in order to remain disease free. (due to stress from aggression, breeding, water quality, etc) Using vitamin c as an example, fish under stress are known to require much higher levels of this nutrient, vs fish that are under minimal stress. A manufacturer could be using data from outdated studies, or for whatever reason only using a minimal amount of vitamin c at a rate of say 75 mg/kg of feed, where as the next manufacturer is using 500 mg/kg of feed. (or higher) All of these things & more will factor in to how much your fish requires of one brand, vs other brands.



2) Is it okay to pack as much food in to growing fry and juveniles as they are willing to eat, since their metabolic rates are higher to begin with?

It's okay, to a certain point, as long as one is willing to perform water changes that will keep any & all excess nutrients & waste to a minimum.
Your best bet with small fry & juvies is to feed small amounts, several times a day, as their metabolisms burn up each prior feeding. The idea is to never allow them to run on empty for too long, and at the same time there's no real gains made by stuffing the fish to the gills, either.

3) When is the earliest you can start feeding NLS to fry?

As soon as they can fit it into their mouths. The .5 mm Grow formula can be ground into an even finer particle size, and even very tiny fry are able to readily consume this.
 
R.D,
Thanks again for your input, much apreciated. I have trouble finding a decent selection of NLS products in the GTA/ Hamilton area. As you know a national distributor, perhaps you can tell me who carries the .5 mm format product and a broad selection of the rest of it.
I believe in supporting LFS that carry quality products and have a good selection of the same...
 
RD, I'm glad you checked in on this thread. I have a couple of questions.

How does the Thera + A work as an anti parasitic measure? What is it exactly?

I'm using 6 different kinds and sizes of NLS. Are some of the formulas better than others as far as ingredients?

For example, the 1mm sinking Cichlid Formula lists Whole Antartic Krill meal and Whole herring meal + all the other ingredients etc. The Lg. Fish Formula and Jumbo Fish Formula floating pellets only says Krill and Herring + the other ingredients. And the NLS for Jumbo Fish and NLS for Small Fish formulas list theirs as Krill Meal and Fish Meal. What is the difference between them? Is the WHOLE ingredients more beneficial than the others?

Thanks.
 
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