Is the xingu a humersa varient?

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Hi Anders.
I can relate to many of your threads and answers,most are very good for a youngun,however i reckon you have dug yourself a hole here that could prove difficult to get out of lol!!
 
andersp90;4526206; said:
Like pretty much everything you have posted the last 2 weeks? :)
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perhaps you would like to explain where you are so far with your theory, then explain how it is, living in Denmark and keeping 2 rays for a few years, that you are the one who has come up with this wonderful 'leopoldi complex' theory that every other researcher or scientist on the Amazon, or aquatic biologist at any zoo around the world has somehow missed , while you , junior Einstein, have had the 'God moment of understanding' from seeing 'tons of pics' ?

So far you have said >>In my mind it must be a part of the motoro complex and not the leopoldi complex<<<
WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN??? You already know that Motoros , according to mitochondrial dna , is the recent ancestor species of Leopoldi, but you arrange them now in a way that they are not even related or in the same 'complex' ?
You totally contradict yourself.
THIS IS GIBBERISH....it may be fun , but in real terms what you propose is simply nonsense given the work already done, meanwhile you pollute the airwaves suggesting that what you say is established fact, when it is not even established theory.
The only thing you have proved so far is that " garbage accumulates to fill the space available to it".
 
DavidW;4527428; said:
perhaps you would like to explain where you are so far with your theory, then explain how it is, living in Denmark and keeping 2 rays for a few years, that you are the one who has come up with this wonderful 'leopoldi complex' theory that every other researcher or scientist on the Amazon, or aquatic biologist at any zoo around the world has somehow missed , while you , junior Einstein, have had the 'God moment of understanding' from seeing 'tons of pics' ?

So far you have said >>In my mind it must be a part of the motoro complex and not the leopoldi complex<<<
WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN??? You already know that Motoros , according to mitochondrial dna , is the recent ancestor species of Leopoldi, but you arrange them now in a way that they are not even related or in the same 'complex' ?
You totally contradict yourself.
THIS IS GIBBERISH....it may be fun , but in real terms what you propose is simply nonsense given the work already done, meanwhile you pollute the airwaves suggesting that what you say is established fact, when it is not even established theory.
The only thing you have proved so far is that " garbage accumulates to fill the space available to it".
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You dont have ANY rays? :) So you must know nothing at all then? Can you follow me? :)

I have been keeping stingrays for 6 years in november, if that is only a few years in your eyes, then fine. :)

How says none have seen the link in the spine formation before me? Who knows? They might be working on it as we speak?

Also, this:

"You already know that Motoros , according to mitochondrial dna , is the recent ancestor species of Leopoldi"

I have asked you 3 times now where you are getting that from? I have read the DNA article more than a few times, and I cant seem to find it anywhere? I can see that the motoro is supposed to be the common ancestor of the scobina and orbignyi. Last time I asked, you just ignored all my qustions and went straight on to flaming me.
Why would you do that if you could just have answered me.



Hi Anders.
I can relate to many of your threads and answers,most are very good for a youngun,however i reckon you have dug yourself a hole here that could prove difficult to get out of lol!!
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Compared to you I am a younggun, no doubt about that. :)

But with more than 10 years of fishkeeping and 6 years of keeping stingrays, I wouldent call myself a total noob. :)
 
I took the freedom to take yet another look at the DNA article, and to look at the branch diagram. I wish I had done it a bit sooner, as it proves what I have been saying the last two weeks.

If you go to the section where Motoro, leopoldi and henlei is placed you will see that the motoro and leopoldi branch each their way from a common ancestor! :)

The graf can be seen fully explained here: http://www.roggenforum.lode.biz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=3519

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you don;t even know how dumb you are do you?!
this is the paper.
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S1415-47572008000200028&script=sci_arttext

Here is a quote from it ".......P. motoro, P. orbignyi, and P. scobina are true evolutionary species, and P. motoro is the ancestor...."
and a quote from you on roggenforum


DavidW wrote:
I was under the impression from the dna research that motoro seems to be the common recent ancestor, maybe I misunderstood.

Anders wrote:
No you dident. It is a possibility. The pdf said so anyway.

Again, you contradict yourself and the science.
 
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