is there an obsession on this site for seeing one animal kill another

[Derpeder]

I love watching my fish eat other fish. Thats what being a predator is. Thats why I like predatory fish.

If predatory fish ate algae they wouldn't be quite as cool. But thats just my opinion.








well if they ate algae like they ate other fish, that might be kinda cool. Painful, but cool.

 

[jloos1988]

i don`t know whether its just my age or i`m seeing things differently nowadays but there seems a sickness to my mind in todays hobby.
i cant believe how many people on this forum seem to delight in watching one fish eat another.
I`ve owned preds over the years and have fed them live fish when needs must but have always hated doing it.
I don`t want to be fed the spurrious argument that its replicating nature cos its not. prey animals have a chance to escape in the wild tipping one fish in with another in the confines of a tank is voyeuristic if it isn`t just a means to get a fish eating,
I find the lack of regard that some people here have for " prey animals " disturbing ,though i suspect many are young and haven`t yet developed the empathy factor that grownups develope.
Ive made mistakes and have marvelled at one fishes ability to swalow another but this deliberate destruction and in particular ill matched predator prey size is just sick in my mind,
Am i the only one here that thinks this! am i on the wrong site ?
i thought i was joining a forum that loved big fish not lets see fish suffering dot com .!
I`m 43 yo perhaps i`m just not down with the kids eh .or too old for these sorts of sites.

your looking too far into it, these fish we keep are predators and alot of them will only accept and enjoy live foods...its nature man

 

[Miguel]

Again,, its is not the live feeding ( some do not do it , but none opposes it, I believe )

It is the snuff, gory , torture, voyeuristic, element ( conveyed by sites like you tube ) that most of the MFKers do not condone.

 

[davo]

I don't see how people gain any kind of pleasure from it. Sure maybe if you haven't seen a particular fish hunt for it's prey before, the first and second time yeah, it's interesting, you learn a habit of your fish and you're learning. However, after that, you've seen it and really there is no need to do it again. Why when you can use pre-kill/prepared foods. I don't really have anything against people that do it, it's their choice... but to derive pleasure from it is something else. In this country it is illegal to feed live prey of a certain level unless it is the only way to get an animal to feed (for the animals health), which in my opinion, is the only reason to do it in the first place.

 

[BushFishRox]

is there an obsession on this site for seeing one animal kill another

SIMPLY PUT.... YES!!!

 

[Derpeder]

I don't see how people gain any kind of pleasure from it. Sure maybe if you haven't seen a particular fish hunt for it's prey before, the first and second time yeah, it's interesting, you learn a habit of your fish and you're learning. However, after that, you've seen it and really there is no need to do it again. Why when you can use pre-kill/prepared foods. I don't really have anything against people that do it, it's their choice... but to derive pleasure from it is something else. In this country it is illegal to feed live prey of a certain level unless it is the only way to get an animal to feed (for the animals health), which in my opinion, is the only reason to do it in the first place.

I personally don't see a difference in the fish being killed by a factory and freezer vs. by the preditor fish that eats it, imho.

and for me its not that I get jollies out of watching another fish die. I like seeing my preditory fish hunt and react and dart and feed. It has nothing to do with the prey fish, except you can't have one without the other.

 

[BushFishRox]

I don't see how people gain any kind of pleasure from it

I know how people get pleasure from the death of another animal because they know that their animal is going to get bigger and healthier...

 

[BushFishRox]

I personally don't see a difference in the fish being killed by a factory and freezer vs. by the preditor fish that eats it, imho.

and for me its not that I get jollies out of watching another fish die. I like seeing my preditory fish hunt and react and dart and feed. It has nothing to do with the prey fish, except you can't have one without the other.

the only thing that I can see is that it could be safer for your fish, you know it wont get sick from a frozen fish like it can from a live unless your breed your own feeders..

just like why I feed my Ball Python frozen feeders...

 

[Derpeder]

the only thing that I can see is that it could be safer for your fish, you know it wont get sick from a frozen fish like it can from a live unless your breed your own feeders..

just like why I feed my Ball Python frozen feeders...

That is a great point. and relates to your preditor fish's health.

and as it relates to the feeder fish. If your preditor is going to get the food....and it is because we all care about our fish....... who cares how the feeder dies. the fact is that the feeder needs to die for our big fish to live.

the original thread question was this, "is there an obsession for seeing one animal kill another"

I'd say the obsession is seeing our fish grow to monsters and to watch them feed is a perk along the way.

My bass gets pellets and prepared food 90% of the time but an occasional feeder or crawdad or worm is good for them and fun to watch them eat.

 

[dragonfish]

The question was is there too much obsession with watching one animal kill another. The answer is yes. The arguments against the statement are rediculous.
1) It's more natural-our artificial environments are not even close to nature, especially in the case of overstocked bare bottomed tanks. If live food is the best thing for a predator then why doesn't a zoo, whom I'm sure have a lot more knowledge of the animals they keep, give the lions a live gazelle to chase down. In a natural enviroment the prey has a chance to escape.
2) The fish enjoy it.-Fish have an instinctive need to eat, the source is secondary. Fish have now been given human emotions, which requires a much higher intelligence than previously proscribed. So if you believe fish can feel enjoyment then you should also feel embarassed by causing them depression for their loss of freedom and grief when you break up a family or friendship.
3) They are predators.-Most predators will happily take any food offered. A large cat is also a predator, but he's not going to turn his nose up at the filet waiting to expend energy chasing his meal.
4) I enjoy watching the habits of my fish.-Watching and learning the habits of a new fish can be fascinating, but unless your making a scientific documentary or clinical trials it becomes more voyeuristic after the first few times.
5) I think the main issue that has been tap danced around here are the threads like, I fed my 5" Jack Dempsey to my P's, here is the video of it dieing a slow painful death, ain't I cool. I am looking for bettas to fight, aint that cool. A multi page video thread of some idiot who bought an aggressive fish, put it in with some of his favorites, and when "nature happened" got pissed at the fish not himself. His mature way to handle the situation was throwing it into a tank with a much larger predator, video it and then post and brag. Wouldn't be so bad if there weren't several pages of people, of differing levels, telling him how cool he was and how that fish learned it's lesson. These are the kind of things that I believe are the original intent of this thread. So once again the answer is yes. Let the flaming begin.