Is this a phoenix barb?

[LCT8]

Can someone help me identify if my fish is a phoenix barb or is it another type of barb

 

[LCT8]

Bump

 

[thebiggerthebetter]

We got ours already large and unmistakable. I've only seen a few photos of juvies in passing. It looks like it could be but I'd wait for someone with knowledge, not guesses.

 

[kendragon]

The dark fins is making it questionable.
These are from Wes.

 

[LCT8]

The dark fins is making it questionable.
These are from Wes.
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The one at the back has dark fins no? Is that a phoenix too?

 

[kendragon]

The one at the back has dark fins no? Is that a phoenix too?

Yes. Good point.

 

[thebiggerthebetter]

May not mean much but it seems the snout-tip-to-eye distance is noticeably greater and there is a noticeable indentation in the profile line of the skull / snout on the dorsal side above the eye in the fish in question vs shorter distance and smooth line in Ken's photos.

The short eye to snout tip distance in phoenix is one recognizable trait, seemingly at all ages.

 

[LCT8]

May not mean much but it seems the snout-tip-to-eye distance is noticeably greater and there is a noticeable indentation in the profile line of the skull / snout on the dorsal side above the eye in the fish in question vs shorter distance and smooth line in Ken's photos.

The short eye to snout tip distance in phoenix is one recognizable trait, seemingly at all ages.

This is harder than I think, to identify a baby fish ?

 

[Hybridfish7]

They look like tor to me but I don't specialize in cyprinids

 

[thebiggerthebetter]

You need people who know cyprinids, like Ken. Barbs are tough enough to tell as adults sometimes, much harder as juvies - the younger, the harder. There are great many species.

Phoenix barbs Spinibarbus dendiculatum are considered related to mahseer, such as Tor and Neolissochilus. For instance Spinibarbus hollandii is called a Taiwan mahseer.