is this MTS? then why mine in the tank is different color and this one is beautiful

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please see attached photo, this is a beautiful multi layer color snail. i believe it must be Malaysian trumpet snails MTS. but i could be wrong, becuase i have MTS at my tank they are all gray but this one is colored, is this MTS? if yes, then why the difference of color?IMG_1620.jpg
 
I got my 2m/1f Super Red Calico BN's from Aquatic Arts, who are Indiana based and often have diff locally bred BN Morphs.

They're good people to deal with and they have quality stock, a lot locally bred. If you live in Indiana they're 100% worth checking out:


(they sell my high quality line of Malaysian Trumpet Snails, so I may be biased)
 
MTS genetics are all over the place cause most populations are seriously inbred. That looks like an adult, and once they get bigger they generally start displaying less color, which can look awesome, like yours does. You lose the browns before the reds,

I don't know why but Aquatic Arts used pics of their inbred stock versus the 400 beautiful snails I sent them.

There's black MTS, I don't know if they can crossbreed, I don't know that I wanna risk it with my breeding group.

I've spent like 20 years introducing new genetics and culling. I'm getting bigger sizes and better pattern retention. I am a crazy person lol

There was someone on another now dead forum (Aquaticfreaks? or something, they showed off weird fish morphs), who had a population with spikes, but the tank they were in was dead and gone by the time I messaged them.

It's 100% worth your time to cull smaller ones with less color or stumpy shells and also hit up fish stores and ask if you can harvest some of theirs to increase genetic diversity. In my experience they'll just grab some of if they know you make you do it yourself.

Also if you're seeing them when the light is on your tank needs a water change or you need to seriously cull them and feed less. Seeing MTS on the glass is like the canary in the coal mine passing out.

Sorry this is disjointed, I am currently very sick. Please feel free to ask questions

These are super old pics, from when I was just trying to lock in the bigger size, before I really got into the patterns, but you can see how the color loss progresses.

So yeah you just got an old snail and also I think you should do a water change <3

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The best way to deal with an excessive population is to grab as many as you can find when you turn on the light in the morning and make them disappear. Do this every few days. Focus on smaller ones, ones with bad shells, bad coloration, etc. They stop breeding around an inch or so? I think. And the big adults will outcompete after awhile without making new babies.

Also feed less. An infestation is a good sign you're feeding too much.

or you could just drop a handful of pennies into the tank and do a bunch of water changes to deal with the mass die off

they don't make super great puffer food but that's an option too
 
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I don't really interact with anyone else in the snail hobby world, so I really don't know if i'm the only insane person who has been trying to breed a better MTS for 20+ years.

The parthenogenesis alone makes it way more complicated.

Regardless i'm happy my MTS genetics have been spread far and wide. There's too many ****ty inbred stock out there.

Funny story I had a population in with a tank of Pea Puffers. The Pea Puffers eventually learned to just aim for the exposed foot, not the shell. Turn the light on, the puffers wake up and go for the food. Some of the MTS would stay on the glass and work their way down slowly in the morning and get eaten. Some would just drop. The just drop genetics won out and eventually most of them were droppers.

That tank got shut down but I added some of the nicer ones into my main breeding pool. This was maybe 15 years ago? Now most of mine drop immediately.

Easy to breed, takes years to manipulate the genetics. I've basically managed to create:

Melanoides tuberculata (var. Big)
Melanoides tuberculata (var. Brown)
Melanoides tuberculata (var. Drop)

but i'm down to one tank and they're all mixed, it's probably time for a cull and maybe new genetics, it's been a couple of years

anyway they're good snails, do good things, and it's worth the time to try and selectively breed them because they will respond to your efforts, even if it takes years
 
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I don't really interact with anyone else in the snail hobby world, so I really don't know if i'm the only insane person who has been trying to breed a better MTS for 20+ years.

The parthenogenesis alone makes it way more complicated.

Regardless i'm happy my MTS genetics have been spread far and wide. There's too many ****ty inbred stock out there.

Funny story I had a population in with a tank of Pea Puffers. The Pea Puffers eventually learned to just aim for the exposed foot, not the shell. Turn the light on, the puffers wake up and go for the food. Some of the MTS would stay on the glass and work their way down slowly in the morning and get eaten. Some would just drop. The just drop genetics won out and eventually most of them were droppers.

That tank got shut down but I added some of the nicer ones into my main breeding pool. This was maybe 15 years ago? Now most of mine drop immediately.

Easy to breed, takes years to manipulate the genetics. I've basically managed to create:

Melanoides tuberculata (var. Big)
Melanoides tuberculata (var. Brown)
Melanoides tuberculata (var. Drop)

but i'm down to one tank and they're all mixed, it's probably time for a cull and maybe new genetics, it's been a couple of years

anyway they're good snails, do good things, and it's worth the time to try and selectively breed them because they will respond to your efforts, even if it takes years
Sounds like you’re the one responsible for the “just drop” strain that plagued me in the past. I’d flip on the lights and see hundreds of them on the wall. As soon as the net touched water so I could catch them, they all dropped out of reach lol.

Fascinating that you’re fascinated with them and have worked with them for 20 years. Would you happen to know how to get rid of the MTS that stay tiny and breed like crazy? They breed way faster then a the ones that grow to an inch
 
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