Is this tigrinus having a deformity

[Troy1015]

Vita chem soak the tilapia before feeding

 

[headbanger_jib]

thebiggerthebetter , mate I always knew feeding saltwater market prawn would cause trouble and hence I never used it.

Although I used macrobrachium rossenbergi, live one's, these are pure freshwater shrimp and I have been using these for a very long time.

 

[thebiggerthebetter]

I have never seen him eat, I know he eats but the quantity I am unsure of.

He used to always hide earlier, now he has become a bit more brave and comes out and sits in the open.

What could it be, if say he did have a loss of appetite

It could be more than one thing, vitamin deficiency included. A complete shot in the dark would be a parasite that's damaging the fish's central nervous system and/or brain. For the whole head to suddenly be bent downward, it looks like a seizure, epilepsy-like attack.

I still think it is the diet related.

When I say shrimp, it is not market prawn, this is macrobrachium rossenbergi, I used to get live, and the fish was in great shape all the while it ate these.

How can I add vitamin b1 to its diet.

The Tilapia I give is wild caught Tilapia, and not from farms, and the fillet is just not meat, I don't get the fish skinned before filleting, so there is skin.

It takes a while, sometimes a long while for the vitamin deficiency to set in all the while a fish would act normal.

Vitamin soak or quality pellet or wholesome and fresh baitfish, etc.

Skin-on is better but still not great. Piscivores need a complete package, a whole fish, including head, guts, bones, scales. Most of the goodies are in the head and in the internal organs, which lack altogether in the fillet diet.

thebiggerthebetter , mate I always knew feeding saltwater market prawn would cause trouble and hence I never used it.

Although I used macrobrachium rossenbergi, live one's, these are pure freshwater shrimp and I have been using these for a very long time.

I have no time to but you can look up thiaminase content in various crustaceans or in salt water versus fresh water shrimp. I doubt you will find a significant enough difference.

As I stated, if you suddently make it consume a large dose of vitamin B1 and the fish suddenly improves, that'd would prove this point. Of not, it'd be refuted and the search for a cause should go on.

Otherwise, I fear, while are talking, the fish is wasting away until the damage is irreparable. Again, I could be a mile off the mark, but to my humble mind, thiaminase or some other type of malnutrition is a likely cause.

Fish not only needs vitamins and minerals but also trace elements, enzymes, co-factors, etc. which are only found in wholesome foods, such as fresh whole thawed bait fish and quality pellet.

 

[Backfromthedead]

ive seen whats referred to as broken back disease or fish scoliosis before but never with a catfish and the location of the curvature is a bit abnormal in your case

here are some links
https://m.petmd.com/fish/conditions/musculoskeletal/c_fi_Bone_and_Muscle_Disorders
http://www.vetbook.org/wiki/fish/index.php?title=Scoliosis
https://www.merckvetmanual.com/exot.../aquarium-fishes/nutritional-diseases-of-fish

not saying this is for sure but it definitely could be a related problem.

 

[headbanger_jib]

I do use vitachem for freshwater, to supplement the diet for my fish, I observed that my cat has stopped eating, he comes out at feeding time, but isn't eating.

I am leaning towards a parasite problem, what do you think I should do.

I wouldn't have even thought of a parasite problem.

 

[thebiggerthebetter]

I don't know. The brain-affecting parasite hypothesis is too easy to throw at this problem. It's a complete shot in the dark.

I noted the fish has a little pouch / protrusion under the lower jaw. I wonder if it is from the bend and whether it (again an extremely wild shot) has gotten a mouth dwelling parasite somehow.

If you say you do soak tig's food in vitachem, then all I said about the diet doesn't make sense.

There isn't much left but these wacky guesses. For me, for now.

 

[headbanger_jib]

I don't know. The brain-affecting parasite hypothesis is too easy to throw at this problem. It's a complete shot in the dark.

I noted the fish has a little pouch / protrusion under the lower jaw. I wonder if it is from the bend and whether it (again an extremely wild shot) has gotten a mouth dwelling parasite somehow.

If you say you do soak tig's food in vitachem, then all I said about the diet doesn't make sense.

There isn't much left but these wacky guesses. For me, for now.

I do feed shrimp, macrobrachium, live there's a possibility of argulus attack, I will be starting a treatment today morning.

It has been well. Documented that there will be skeletal deformities for a certain parasites, mostly flukes (metacercariae) order.

So i go ahead from there

This is what I use to supplement my fish food.

 

[fishtankphil]

Or it could be a genetic deformity just like a human being can get in time, animalz are no exception. That's what i believe. If i was u i would do my due diligence and maintain him or her as best as possible. Feed only clean and non live foods to eliminate any variables. Hopefully it won't get worse.

 

[fishtankphil]

I don't know. The brain-affecting parasite hypothesis is too easy to throw at this problem. It's a complete shot in the dark.

I noted the fish has a little pouch / protrusion under the lower jaw. I wonder if it is from the bend and whether it (again an extremely wild shot) has gotten a mouth dwelling parasite somehow.

If you say you do soak tig's food in vitachem, then all I said about the diet doesn't make sense.

There isn't much left but these wacky guesses. For me, for now.

I believe it has that protrusion due to the blending of its neck are and the skin it bring shortened which in turn would lead to the skin sagging as it is now. Good evidence that the jaw was once in a normal straight direction.

 

[Backfromthedead]

Or it could be a genetic deformity just like a human being can get in time, animalz are no exception. That's what i believe. If i was u i would do my due diligence and maintain him or her as best as possible. Feed only clean and non live foods to eliminate any variables. Hopefully it won't get worse.

this is what i thought after jsodwi said earlier he had three but only one displayed the deformity. presumably all 3 shared same diet and tank so genetic variables seemed likely.