ok pls chill. he is in my moms community tank till i can get another grow out for the growout. and that tank is in her classroom 2 miles away. next time i volunteer in her class, i will get a pix. promise. he is also not looking too good right now, he has 2 fairly largeish scrapes on his side, as well as a torn dorsal fin. he is healing allready, just is still fairly skittish