I have to agree, when I lived in Long Beach no lfs would take a Buttikoferi over 5", and these places had doviis, umbees and other heavy hitters. I kept mine with feeders for a couple of years, it use to chew food up for them, then one day it just went psycho. I moved it to another tank with a rd, jag, midas, red tail cat & snakehead (all were it's old tankmates). Didn't matter that they had been established, I ended up paying someone to take it off my hands!!