Jardini Tail?!?

[Cabinetman 1]

Interesting.
Can you post a full tank shot of the 130.
What filtration and aeration.
No carbon included I assume.
Does look like fin rot but just isolated to tail and repetitive after healing is an issue (hence the full tank shot for stress factors)
What is the ph and temp of the tank and also ph of the water change water.
Where are you getting his night crawlers from?

Here is the full tank shot. Tank is 60X24x22. Filtration is 1-FX6 and 1-Ehiem 2080.

Interesting.
Can you post a full tank shot of the 130.
What filtration and aeration.
No carbon included I assume.
Does look like fin rot but just isolated to tail and repetitive after healing is an issue (hence the full tank shot for stress factors)
What is the ph and temp of the tank and also ph of the water change water.
Where are you getting his night crawlers from?

Interesting.
Can you post a full tank shot of the 130.
What filtration and aeration.
No carbon included I assume.
Does look like fin rot but just isolated to tail and repetitive after healing is an issue (hence the full tank shot for stress factors)
What is the ph and temp of the tank and also ph of the water change water.
Where are you getting his night crawlers from?

The tank is 24 deep x 60 long x 24 high. I am running a FX6 and Eheim 2080/1200xl. Both packed with seachem matrix. I have one 2" sphere air stone and one wave maker. The make up water is in a 40 gal tank I fill and treat with prime and set to the exact temp as the main tank, which is 82 degrees Fahrenheit.
Because I am using a 40 gal I do three exchanges throughout the day once the water reaches the correct temperature. I was looking at buying a 75 gal. thank so I can just make it one exchange. The pH is on the high side of things 7.2-7.4. His diet has been as of lately nightcrawlers that I buy from Petco. When things were normal I would feed him 2-3 a day. I the past has been very particular about his diet, would go on a long stretch then quit eating. Also before his tail got bad, his eating slowed done and would get real aggressive at me, charging the glass when I would leave my office. Hasn't ever picked at or charged the Tiger barbs.

 

[Fishman Dave]

Ok, so, this really has me quite stumped but there are a number of things I see. None of which are a reflection, but I cannot get them out of my head, nor could I replicate them at home.
Some will say the 5x2 is not big enough but I don’t see that as the real problem, yes it may be a stressor but loud noises could be worse.
I assume the filters get cleaned regularly, say every four months doing them staggered one every 2 month?
I can’t replicate nitrates at 5 on a tank with a substantial amount of wood in it and substrate base and am amazed it’s so low even with weekly 60% water changes but then my change water comes to me at 20-40 already out of the tap unless I use ro water, but using straight ro is not good for fish so I am concerned your nitrates are only 5 ( I know not usual for someone to be concerned about such low nitrates). Where are you getting your water change water? At such low nitrates?
Have never used Paraguard so don’t know it’s capabilities but I read various things from it kills your biological filter to it does no harm. Not helpful.
I would be tempted to test water again with decent liquid test kit (ensuring not out of date) leaving it the 5mins to colour up and if deffinately 5 then personally I would stop meds, let thebiological filtration help the fish, (cos it must be working really well to keep nitrates so low) keep him de stressed, no sudden bangs or changes and see if his condition starts to improve. BUT, I am not a great lover of meds, too easy to do more harm than good.
I do feel he may be stressing over something else and causing the tail damage to himself because of it - just don’t know what!

 

[Cabinetman 1]

Ok, so, this really has me quite stumped but there are a number of things I see. None of which are a reflection, but I cannot get them out of my head, nor could I replicate them at home.
Some will say the 5x2 is not big enough but I don’t see that as the real problem, yes it may be a stressor but loud noises could be worse.
I assume the filters get cleaned regularly, say every four months doing them staggered one every 2 month?
I can’t replicate nitrates at 5 on a tank with a substantial amount of wood in it and substrate base and am amazed it’s so low even with weekly 60% water changes but then my change water comes to me at 20-40 already out of the tap unless I use ro water, but using straight ro is not good for fish so I am concerned your nitrates are only 5 ( I know not usual for someone to be concerned about such low nitrates). Where are you getting your water change water? At such low nitrates?
Have never used Paraguard so don’t know it’s capabilities but I read various things from it kills your biological filter to it does no harm. Not helpful.
I would be tempted to test water again with decent liquid test kit (ensuring not out of date) leaving it the 5mins to colour up and if deffinately 5 then personally I would stop meds, let thebiological filtration help the fish, (cos it must be working really well to keep nitrates so low) keep him de stressed, no sudden bangs or changes and see if his condition starts to improve. BUT, I am not a great lover of meds, too easy to do more harm than good.
I do feel he may be stressing over something else and causing the tail damage to himself because of it - just don’t know what!

I appreciate your input. The tank is at my cabinet shop not really around loud noises. The office the tank is in has the door shut most of the time and I am the e only person that pases past the tank. I am on city water and the nitrate reading from the tap is basically 0 a touch of color but not a 5 on the api test kit. I think if I can get him eating better it would help. On all occasions this has happened when he got bored with his diet, first time I was feeding bloodworms and super worms, then went to crickets, now nightcrawlers. I have tried several times to get him on pellets but I always give in before he does. I appreciate your help I will stop the meds and do as you suggested and see if it will turn around. Thank you I am in the process of building a another tank, what size would you recommend? Thanks again!!

 

[Cabinetman 1]

Just an update, I didn't do anything just kept to weekly water changes and offered nightcrawlers daily. It took awhile but mid June he started eating again and his tail has healed up. He is no longer agitated or striking at the glass. I had one thought, I wonder if he gets constipated and has trouble digesting his food. If he eats regularly his anus will get inflamed. So I will try to figure out a better more well rounded diet, but he is really strong will about what he eats.

 

[Tony A.]

Yep mine is picky eater also but he eats most foods the bass do. Most often just to keep the bass and Oscars from it. He will only eat soft pellets. But loves all cut fish and shrimp and bugs .
Wasp and bees are his or hers favorite ? . But he goes for a week sometimes without eating anything. Waiting to get what he wants .
I thought yours liked meal worms ? That will give him more roughage . That Jardini is awesome . Keep up the good work??

 

[Tony A.]

You might try this trick. Cut the night crawlers into 1/2 in. Peaces , feed him by your fingers . Drop in a peace to get him coming twords your fingers drop the next peaces closer to your fingers tell he's taking them from your fingers and he will bite you when he's trained . Next start feeding him other soft foods ,shrimp soft cut fish like cat fish. Then try soft pellets. All ways feed a few worms or foods he likes a few times before trying new foods. If you have flowers you should have bees. Feed him some meal worms then try other small critters.
I bet he will eat crickets from your LFS. I start finger feeding all my bass and Oscars this way it really works. And it worked on my Jardini. Good luck ? ?

 

[Tony A.]

You posted awhile back about him and had some full shots of him or her . All most all black and nice and tall .
Awesome looking Jardini .

 

[Cabinetman 1]

You might try this trick. Cut the night crawlers into 1/2 in. Peaces , feed him by your fingers . Drop in a peace to get him coming twords your fingers drop the next peaces closer to your fingers tell he's taking them from your fingers and he will bite you when he's trained . Next start feeding him other soft foods ,shrimp soft cut fish like cat fish. Then try soft pellets. All ways feed a few worms or foods he likes a few times before trying new foods. If you have flowers you should have bees. Feed him some meal worms then try other small critters.
I bet he will eat crickets from your LFS. I start finger feeding all my bass and Oscars this way it really works. And it worked on my Jardini. Good luck ? ?

Thank you,
I will give that a try. I would really like to give him some variety!! Great looking Jardini!!

 

[mcm83]

I know this thread is a little old but this vid might help if the OP hasn’t found a solution yet.

 

[Cabinetman 1]

I know this thread is a little old but this vid might help if the OP hasn’t found a solution yet.

Thank you for the video! That helps, he is definitely a tail biter.