JD male wont breed with Rtm female

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My 9inch Jack Dempsey is with my 7inch female red tiger motaguense. She has a huge belly and her tube is out and she really wants to breed. The only thing is that the JD doesn't seem to want to breed .. would it be because they are in the same tank as some couple green terrors even though they are separated? how could i encourage the male to breed
 
Why would you want a bunch of mutts you can't provide a reasonable ID for, and (unless you use the fry for feeders) pollute the genes of 2 perfectly fine species?
Maybe the JD has too much integrity to cave in to the "human idea" of whats good for its progeny.
 
Why would you want a bunch of mutts you can't provide a reasonable ID for, and (unless you use the fry for feeders) pollute the genes of 2 perfectly fine species?
Maybe the JD has too much integrity to cave in to the "human idea" of whats good for its progeny.
its a debate i wont be taking a part of
im not planning to sell the fry its jus that ive seen them grow from about 2 inches, and in the past year i always thought they could be a pair and this week i saw the rtm displaying breeding behaviors for the first time, i didnt setup the tank for that it was supposed to be open but my jd is destroying my gt's
 
I mean are they about the same size? male should be bigger than the female, or both near the same size.
do a water change, do something with the gt's, and when you do a water change the water you put in should be warmer than the tank already is.
also feed the pair high protein food.
good luck, I'd like to see what comes out of that pairing. is the JD just a regular wild type, blue gene, or electric blue? or the one in your profile pic? that would be a normal JD.
 
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I mean are they about the same size? male should be bigger than the female, or both near the same size.
do a water change, do something with the gt's, and when you do a water change the water you put in should be warmer than the tank already is.
also feed the pair high protein food.
good luck, I'd like to see what comes out of that pairing. is the JD just a regular wild type, blue gene, or electric blue? or the one in your profile pic? that would be a normal JD.

i was gonna suggest a water change as well but use colder water instead. all of my cichlids seem to get in the mood when i abruptlylower the temperature 3-4 degrees.
 
Why would you want a bunch of mutts you can't provide a reasonable ID for, and (unless you use the fry for feeders) pollute the genes of 2 perfectly fine species?
Maybe the JD has too much integrity to cave in to the "human idea" of whats good for its progeny.

I agree, the likely answer to your question is because your male is a JD and not a RTM.

Hybridization isn't a biological imperative, even though its commonplace in aquaria, it comes down to each fish and their willingness to pair. Pairing can be difficult enough with members of the same species (ask my wife)
 
Why would you want a bunch of mutts you can't provide a reasonable ID for, and (unless you use the fry for feeders) pollute the genes of 2 perfectly fine species?
my question for you is why you hate hybrids so much. There are a lot of hybrids that no one knows for sure what they are made of, but not too many people have problems with. (electric blue acaras, blood parrots, flowerhorns, etc.)
 
I can't answer for Duane, I am sure he will defend his position.

But it comes down to opinion and preference. Some aquarists (myself included) prefer that fish exhibit their natural appearance and behavior. Often these aquarists prefer to setup their aquariums as biotopes specific to certain watersheds or even specific bodies of water.

Some purists also strongly dislike fancy line bred varieties that for all intents and purposes of this discussion wouldn't appear in nature (veil tails, calico/marbled, some of the short bodied, etc). To the natural purist these fish are no different than neon injected tetras and dyed barbs. They are seen as an abomination.

With that being said, many people who prefer natural appearance are tolerant of albinism and partial albinism (leucism and xanthism for example) as examples of animals of all different orders exhibit these colorations in the wild, albeit they are often short lived due to predation.

One would like to think that there is room for people from both sides of this debate in the hobby. One main point of dissension occurs when a hybrids are passed/sold as something they are not. A lot of work and effort goes into the import and captive breeding WC and F1 fish, just like alot of work goes into creating new and interesting hybrids.

TL ; DR: different strokes for different folks
 
I can't answer for Duane, I am sure he will defend his position.

But it comes down to opinion and preference. Some aquarists (myself included) prefer that fish exhibit their natural appearance and behavior. Often these aquarists prefer to setup their aquariums as biotopes specific to certain watersheds or even specific bodies of water.

Some purists also strongly dislike fancy line bred varieties that for all intents and purposes of this discussion wouldn't appear in nature (veil tails, calico/marbled, some of the short bodied, etc). To the natural purist these fish are no different than neon injected tetras and dyed barbs. They are seen as an abomination.

With that being said, many people who prefer natural appearance are tolerant of albinism and partial albinism (leucism and xanthism for example) as examples of animals of all different orders exhibit these colorations in the wild, albeit they are often short lived due to predation.

One would like to think that there is room for people from both sides of this debate in the hobby. One main point of dissension occurs when a hybrids are passed/sold as something they are not. A lot of work and effort goes into the import and captive breeding WC and F1 fish, just like alot of work goes into creating new and interesting hybrids.

TL ; DR: different strokes for different folks

I mean I can understand liking a fish for what it is naturally, and not liking GMO/dyed fish. But to go as far as other things people have said, like "kill them as eggs" or "feed them off to other fish, they shouldn't be alive." is kinda... it doesn't seem right. The animal is alive, and it doesn't care what it is as long as it's alive. The fish doesn't care if its a hybrid, and to say that they should be killed just because they are a mix of 2 species is kind wrong to me.
Almost all my animals are hybrids or bred to be the way they are. I have a BP, mickey mouse platies, a koi halfmoon betta, leopard geckos of various morphs and an amelanistic fat tailed gecko. (not sure if that counts but he's still a morph...)
The only wild caught/natural fish I have are my rio esmeraldas gold acara (yes she's wild caught, she was caught in a lagoon near the rio esmeralda.), my red eye tetras, and my common pleco.
If it's 2 species that you have and you're creating a hybrid that you know the parents of, as long as you keep record of the parents/lineage then you can't really call it an unknown mutt.
as for convicts in the hobby being mutts, to me anything sold as a.nigrofasicatum, whether a mutt or not I still see it as an a.nigrofasicatum. if you want the purest of pure, or want something of a different regional variant, find someone like Jeff Rapps or catch the fish yourself.
come to think of it I can understand not liking hybrids. I can understand calling them abominations, (but not to the extent of dyed/tattooed fish, those are just terrible.) I mean look at my profile pic, my BP is kinda weird looking but I still love the 8 year old, big fat orange thing that I raised from a 2 inches and a few months old. But still, things like wanting them dead just because they are hybrids seems very wrong to me.
 
leopard geckos of various morphs and an amelanistic fat tailed gecko...

It is coincidental that you should mention leopard geckos of various morphs. My father is a charter member of the Nebraska Herpetological Society. Nebraska Wesleyan University pioneered and recorded many of the leopard gecko morphs seen in the hobby today well before they were commercially available.

I grew up with shelves of plastic shoeboxes filled with pairs of leopard geckos and various meticulously labeled incubators. I was delighted to feed endless crickets dusted in herp-cal to each box.

... a.nigrofasicatum, whether a mutt or not I still see it as an a.nigrofasicatum.

And there in lies the rub. An "HRP" x A.Nigrofasicatum hybrid or even a Cuterii x A.Nigrofasicatum hybrid may be indistinguishable from a WC Convict.

Linegage and integrity may be less important than wow factor and profit when you are trying to pay bills. There is virtually no policy or regulation stopping a LFS owner from selling X as Y or Y from Z.

What you see isn't necessarily what a hobbyist wants
 
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