JD male wont breed with Rtm female

[duanes]

My aversion to hybrids, is twofold,
One, because everyone and their sister is producing them these days, and then turning them int LFSs as one thing or another, then someone else's brother breeding the with something else, adding to the mutt population. There is no way way to be sure any cichlid is what it is said to be.
I used to be able to buy cichlidsto breed true, and be reasonably sure they were what they were listed as, but these days, there is no way I trust anyone except specialists to have true species.
And as a former microbiologist, I find casually breeding cichlids from one area with another just for color, misses the point that some have innate tolerances for disease, or conditions that can be lost in the combination.
In nature if fish hybridize, less advantageous traits are weeded out by survival of the fittest conditions in the wild.
In aquariums there are no such checks and balances that promote health versus color or a big Kok, so less than robust strains are often perpetuated, when casual breeder don't cull or go for quantity over quality.
I believe the the"invention" of flower horns goes hand in hand with the now common duck lips disease prominence.

 

[duanes]

My aversion to hybrids, is twofold,
One, because everyone and their sister is producing them these days, and then turning them int LFSs as one thing or another, then someone else's brother breeding the with something else, adding to the mutt population. There is no way way to be sure any cichlid is what it is said to be.
I used to be able to buy cichlids to breed true, and be reasonably sure they were what they were listed as, but these days, there is no way I trust anyone except specialists to have true species.
Two...And as a former microbiologist, I find casually breeding cichlids from one area with another just for color, misses the point that some have innate tolerances for disease, or conditions that can be lost in the combination.
In nature if fish hybridize, less advantageous traits are weeded out by survival of the fittest conditions in the wild.
In aquariums there are no such checks and balances that promote health versus color or a big Kok, so less than robust strains are often perpetuated, when casual breeder don't cull or go for quantity over quality.
I believe the the"invention" of flower horns goes hand in hand with the now common duck lips disease prominence.

 

[duanes]

One other observation, I believe the disease duck lips may have also been brought on by these same FH (hybrid) producers and the overuse of antibiotics.
Because hybrids and line bred fish (those bred simply for color (or other physical mutations (exemplifies by BPs)) are not very robust in matters of health, even quite fragile, so antibiotics were overused to promote quantity in sales, creating super bugs, that often don't respond well to the normal aquarium medications which are commonly used, And then with aquarists warming tanks too high to get speed up growth, consequently making the bacteria even more virulent.
In the past (in the early days of my fish keeping), columnaris (duck lips) was called "live bearer disease", because at that time live bearers were some of the most common species to be hybrid, and line bred.
In the recent past, columnaris became dubbed Flower Horn disease.
Do we detect a correlation?
For decades I never saw columnaris in my cichlid tanks, but since FHs have become commonplace, it seemed to mysteriously appear.

 

[Aicdt97]

I had a male texas cichlid ..10 in. super aggressive..he breed with a female convict..4 in..one day i notice fry swimimg..i but them in another tank..i had no idea different species of fish did this..6 survived..i have 4 left..they are mean and crazy..then a hybrid female spawned with a Honduran red point male..those fry look retarded..gonna be fish food..i keep the orginal hybrid..new to breeding..thought cool..now seeing what same species breeding is about..much more rewarding..so enlightened minds do whats best intellectually..who cares of ego to change u mind based on increased knowledge..i wish politicians thought that was..to each his own.. Below texas convict hybrid