Juggernaut and New Female (Midas)
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Ken no disrespect to your thread i received ten from him and clearly they did not compare to the offspring i already had and have and they have v shaped mouth and did not look remotely close to my midas that are costa rican race but on another note i love the juggernut i have had my bloodline for a little over 12 years i really dont know why these vendors be lying to ppl just tell the truth and maybe ppl will respect them more than less
Juggernaut is a freakin beast! I have to agree the female's mouth is a bit too pointy for my taste. Maybe Scott can loan you his new female.
Genetic testing will shed light on all of these questions about Midas vs. Red Devils and Amph Sp. hybids. We can only wait and hope for technology to advance to a stage that makes it cheap, efficient and accurate within a knowledge base to be accessible to all. Without genetic testing, everyting is just hearsay and speculation. There is always the possibility of the unmentionable accidental breeding here and there that one didn't think anybody would find out about. A switcheroo to save money. A young fish that was misidentified. Not necessarily intentional but we must leave a wide berth for human error. Who knows??!..You can argue til blue. Gorgeous fish none the less.
dude. dont listen to them.
they both look great. and nothing wrong with that female. She's perfect. Everything's fine. Dust your shoulders off.
they both look great. and nothing wrong with that female. She's perfect. Everything's fine. Dust your shoulders off.
No one is saying the female isn't a nice looking fish, only that if one is attempting to breed a pure line of citrinellus, it's best to breed fish whose provenance lead back to the same collection location.
I would think that would hold true for any species of fish where different geographical variants are involved.
The amphilophus genus has been studied extensively for decades, and genetic testing has already answered a lot of the questions about many of the species found within this genus. We know that citrinellus collected at one location, can vary greatly from those collected at another location in a different crater lake. Sometimes even within the same lake. This is based on real science, most of it taking place within the last decade, not hearsay or speculation. Not only can their physical characteristics differ, such as body shape, length, jaw/head size, etc, but their genetic make up can also vary. Same species, but they have evolved under different conditions which has affected some of their physcial characteristics.
While there is always chance for human error, the local people who collect these fish in the wild know these bodies of water like the back of their hands. They know the best places to collect citrinellus in Lake Managua, labitaus in Lake Nicaragua, etc.
You don't need to perform DNA tests to understand that all of the fish in the link below are A. citrinellus, where the F0's were all collected in the same body of water. (Lake Managua)
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/f...s-photographic-library-of-wild-midas-cichlids
Ditto to the labiatus shown in the link below, which were collected in Lake Nicaragua.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/f...apps-photographic-library-of-wild-red-devils&
No one that owns one of those fish needs to ask the age old question, "is this a midas, or a red devil?".
I would think that would hold true for any species of fish where different geographical variants are involved.
The amphilophus genus has been studied extensively for decades, and genetic testing has already answered a lot of the questions about many of the species found within this genus. We know that citrinellus collected at one location, can vary greatly from those collected at another location in a different crater lake. Sometimes even within the same lake. This is based on real science, most of it taking place within the last decade, not hearsay or speculation. Not only can their physical characteristics differ, such as body shape, length, jaw/head size, etc, but their genetic make up can also vary. Same species, but they have evolved under different conditions which has affected some of their physcial characteristics.
While there is always chance for human error, the local people who collect these fish in the wild know these bodies of water like the back of their hands. They know the best places to collect citrinellus in Lake Managua, labitaus in Lake Nicaragua, etc.
You don't need to perform DNA tests to understand that all of the fish in the link below are A. citrinellus, where the F0's were all collected in the same body of water. (Lake Managua)
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/f...s-photographic-library-of-wild-midas-cichlids
Ditto to the labiatus shown in the link below, which were collected in Lake Nicaragua.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/f...apps-photographic-library-of-wild-red-devils&
No one that owns one of those fish needs to ask the age old question, "is this a midas, or a red devil?".
