One thing i wont do is lye about something i do'nt have, i been i this hobby for 22years and do'nt have no reason to impress you or any one else but my self, like i SAID i bought a 16" black hoplias sp. that is 3" thick from a vendor on this site, if you do'nt believe me contact the vendor your self (Infinite Aquatics) ask him did he just sell a 16" black hoplias to Rico for $700. do'nt hate just be happy some one on mfk was able to buy this amazing fish an once i get the pic's up you need to think before you say stupid sh*#