keeping illegal fish

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I love america and nature in general but I often feel like thats the last thing these types of regulations we talk about do.

I think america has lots of stupid laws and I try to effect change where I can and subvert where I can't. I don't aspire to keep illegal fish but if I really wanted an illegal fish and could get my hands on one I wouldn't let such laws get between me and my dream. especially knowing that I'd euthenize the animal before releasing it.

I think most the people on this website hold similar if no identical ethics(except all those over stocked monster thanks :P ) I think we should let such arbitrary laws determine such favored hobbies/pasttimes when really the threat/harm is nill with the care we invest.

I get a kick out of people who make the its illegal argument, let me ask have you never speed or broken a traffic regulation? Laws aren't all they are stacked up to be in some cases.
 
"Native" Americans also migrated here, Bering land bridge and all that. I bet the wildlife at the time got a bit of a shock. The first humans in North American contributed a great deal to the demise of the macro-fauna like Mammoth.

Your argument about preservation being an abstract notion (and an impossible one) is dead on. The environment is in constant flux of migrating species, with or without human assistance. The extinction of much of South America's wildlife by North American animals when the Central American land bridge formed for example..
 
Check out the Silver Carp... That should be #1 why there needs to be restrictions on fish.

Give Florida for example.. imagine fishing in a normal river or something where there shouldn't really be anything for you to worry about, and all of a sudden you step on a motoro stingray, and you get stung. That person will have to go to the hospital, pay hospital bills etc, when if the person who put that ray in there would have never had the ray, this scenario would have never happened.

The newest river monsters was the pacu... people have died from this fish because of STUPID people introducing the invasive species.

Given the right environment, any fish can be invasive.

I get fish transhipped in a lot from asia, SA, Japan... 3 of my boxes were checked at the airport upon arrival. The bomb squad was even called in when one of my boxes was leaking... they opened it to find 3 koi fish.

Would I ever own an illegal fish? It would depend on the fish. Asian Aro? No. Some illegal pleco.. sure. I know that I am not going to let the fish go, but when you get tired of the fish, you can't pawn it off on someone because you don't know what they will do with it.

The OP is mad that piranhas are illegal, but 45 mins away they are not... That's something to talk to the F&W about- maybe try to come up with a scientific reason why they should be legal..

This thread obviously isn't going to help that.
 
Mhhhh *snap* ARGH!! just blew a blood vessel trying to understand the logic behind some of these posts. Sadly i cant say which ones because as i was informed this is calling someone out in an open forum and is against the rules.

ill just say banning is a dumb thing to do. it solves nothing. most major invasives are not from the hobbiest. read up on it....
 
Here's an interesting paradox. Canada Food Inspection Agency is about to institute a program to curtail the importation of fish with diseases communicable to local fish. This was stimulated by a KHV outbreak affecting local carp. Carp are an invasive species! They've been there for a while granted, but still.
 
SimonL;5043928; said:
Here's an interesting paradox. Canada Food Inspection Agency is about to institute a program to curtail the importation of fish with diseases communicable to local fish. This was stimulated by a KHV outbreak affecting local carp. Carp are an invasive species! They've been there for a while granted, but still.
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That's insane... KHV is only transferable to carp species so it's not like they have to worry about it hurting other fish populations. 90% of KHV carriers die.
 
I say make any fish that could threaten native stocks illegal....without a permit. The reason I say this is anyone who really wants those fish will get the permit as usually the processes aren't difficult but would be enough to deter people who get a fish on a whim. This would theoretically decrease the whole large fish small aquarium problem to some degree among other issues that we currently debate on this site.
 
Itsadeepbluesea;5043971; said:
I say make any fish that could threaten native stocks illegal....without a permit. The reason I say this is anyone who really wants those fish will get the permit as usually the processes aren't difficult but would be enough to deter people who get a fish on a whim. This would theoretically decrease the whole large fish small aquarium problem to some degree among other issues that we currently debate on this site.
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argh *pop*

another person suggesting permits.....:shakehead:barf::wall:
 
Oddball;5042724; said:
BTW, all drug references are being removed. Don't go there.
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