Keeping natives in the UK

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I would be curious to see exactly what you have in your smaller creeks and streams, get yourself a dip net and hit a few creeks and streams and see what you come up with.

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Chillers are quite expensive, $300+ US but a small airconditioner can be used to make one much cheaper.

thanks for the input.

Money isnt a major concern but could always do with saving a few £$£$ if i can.

I think i will have to check out the air-con chiller idea and just get on with it i really want to make this work before i loose momentum.

hmt321 i totally agree with you it would be interesting to see just what we have to offer
 
hey baz, ive toyed with the idea myself a bit... really would love a pike tank but that anit likely to happen... and failing that, im not into marine stuff.... but id love to see it done! all the best with this one!
 
Right - having read this thread --

I am in the UK and kept native fish for more than 20 years -

native marines are fascinating - no problem collecting.

You can keep them fairly simply depending upon the size of set up - the bigger the better.

Nice cuckoo wrasse pic - they do quite well in aquaria - and even those without a chiller - so long as the water temp will not get above 20 degrees.

Good native marines are ;

tompot blennies (hardy as hell)
dogfish (lesser spotted)
various gobies - leopard are particularly pretty,
butterfish (although they do like the water to be below 16)
plaice
sole (dover)
Seabass and grey mullet.
Ballan wrasse
black bream -

that should give you a few to start with!

Stay away from dragonets, gurnard, lumpfish, sticklebacks, weaver fish (only as they are venomous), cod, haddock, pollack.. . none of these do very well in all but big tanks and those with a chiller

The cost of a chiller can be from about £200 but running costs are quite high due to their high wattage - I have kept native marines in everything from 18"x12"x12" to 8'x3'x2' tanks.... I prefer using synthetic seawater as you cannot really control contaminants in natural seawater and at various times of the year you may get high levels of sediment.

Don't forget the inverts - beadlet and snakelocks anemones do really well, palameon serratus, elegans (shrimps) hardy, shore crabs, velvet crabs, spider and decorator crabs - all do quite well - lobsters are brilliant if somewhat destructive. there's loads to choose from.

Set up a tank with your preferred filtration type, leave it to cycle and then go exploring rockpools would be my advice - one thing you do need to bare in mind is that marine creatures on the whole have high dissolved oxygen content requirements.

Native freshwater.

You probably can't get much better than perch - a small shoal (or shoal of small fish) is ace .. they adapt very well to fish tank life and look brilliant. Loads of bogwood.

Pike are great and can easily be turned on to dead food - the only problem being size. they are fascinating though -

Zander are restricted by ILFA licence and so to be honest unless you catch one (I can't think of any waters in the South west that have a stock of zander) you've got no chance of getting one. . they are shy fish though.

barbel are great as are tench - I personally find carp, roach and rudd boring.

My first proper fish tank was stocked with fish from the river avon and consisted of 1 grayling, 4 dace and 2 chub - plus a crucian carp - it looked fab.

with regard to getting hold of - you can often by native fish during the summer - certainly barbel, gudgeon, occassionally perch and pike but you may as well go and catch your own - barbless hooks .. and the fish recover in no time - or go and dip a net in the river, pond ... stay away from trout unless you have a pond as they don't do too well in aquaria.

keep them exactly the same way you keep a tropical tank but without the filter ...

If you want any more info let me know

carl
 
Wow what can i say carl you are the man.

To be honest i didnt think i was going to get anywhere with this, you have inspired me to go for it.

I think i will start with marines as it makes sense due to the fact i can find most within a mile of where i live. that is definately going to be my project for the next few weeks.

As for the perch i think i will have to wait till i have time to go fishing.

Do you have any links to info on keeping natives or where i would find the equipment needed ie chiller?

Once again thanks this has put a smile on my normally miserable face :):)
 
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Aquamedic ones are the best - seriously robust and super efficient.

Apart from that get yourself a protein skimmer (which will depend on size of tank, stocking density etc) - Prizm, deltec, aquamedic all good makes - depends on whether you want an air powered one or a water pump powered one ...

depending upon what you want from lighting I would not go for metal halides as they give off an incredible amount of heat - but id really is down to you - with the chiller running you probably won't have any probs.

Where abouts in dorset are you? If you've got a sandy beach then you can't beat a shrimp push net !!! failing that a bucket and rock pools are the way forward.

Carl
 
im in weymouth so i have both available should provide me with plenty to choose from.

thanks for all the info on equipment, now i can make a real start on this instead of just a flicker in my eye!!
 
If you go marine be sure to get a monster skimmer on the thank, you should also consider condensation on the tank if you use a chiller.

I've kept perch with out a chiller and they do fine, they have the same personality as an oscar.
 
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