L shaped tanks?

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If you are going 3' deep than your tank is about 740g if I am getting your dimensions correct. That is a good size tank.

I am pretty sure 1/2" acrylic is not good enough for 3' deep, not even good enough for 2' deep. I would not even use 1/2" glass.

My thoughts are (using the available calculators in the tank build form) that you would need 3/4" thick glass and in general you double the thickness needed for glass to get a thickness for acrylic, (based on the calculators) so around 1.5" for acrylic.

The available calculators are for rectangle tanks so not sure how to calculate exactly what you need. I am guessing since your viewing window is going to basically have a joint (corner) in it, you should be able to calculate each viewing window as being in a 7'x3'x3' tank and you will be very safe at using the thickness given. I think you could actually calculate the windows as being in a 4'x3'x3' tank but not sure.

If I was going to build a tank of that shape and depth I would use 1.25" acrylic and 1.5" if I really wanted to be safe although I think 1.25" is fine. If I was going with glass, I would not go any thinner than 3/4".

If you are wondering why you need thicker acrylic over glass than I urge you to read more in the tank build section. To give you a quick explanation, you may already know that acrylic is stronger than glass but what many might overlook is the fact that acrylic is far more flexible than glass. So even though the acrylic can handle the forces involved with no problem at the same thickness as the glass, the acrylic will bow out and then you could have some problems. One is the acrylic would be stressed more than it needs to be and you could end up with leaks because of the flexing of the acrylic could ruin your seal around the window.

So 3/4" acrylic is stronger than 3/4" glass but is way to flexible so you have to overcome the flexibility by going thicker and by the calculators you can find here, about twice as thick as what you would need for glass.

With that said, using acrylic is more expensive due to needing suck thick pieces but you get the added comfort than if a kid chucks a marble, metal toy car, baseball or pretty much anything across the room and it hits that viewing window, it will be no problem at all. Might scratch it but it will not let hundreds of gallons of water into your house along with chunks of glass. The glass could also become pretty dangerous with that amount of water pressure and flow behind it if it were to fail.

But I find glass to be less than half the cost of acrylic (when comparing for a specific tank) and far easier to come by. But I would only use acrylic on a tank past about 300g for many reasons.

1. strength
2. clarity
3. light refraction
4. weight

Sorry for the long post, just hope it helps.
 
Earth, i glad you pointed everything out.
There is no cal for what i want, like you said.


I understand that acrylic is stronger but more flexible. That's why i asked about the 4x4 viewing window. Most tanks that are using thick acrylics are long pieces. Like 7x3 viewing windows, so it would be totally different.


i hope more people chime in, with opinions, good or bad, flame me or not. I would just like everyone the to chime in.
 
Sounds like you have a pretty good idea of what you got going on.

The calculators that are available are for building the entire tank out of glass or acrylic. There is no calculator I am aware of that helps us building plywood tanks and definitely not an L shaped plywood tank. So you have to look at the data and physics behind it and figure out your own calculations.

The way I understand it is like this. The depth of the tank or depth of the water determines the water pressure. So you could have a tank that is 50'x50' but 1 foot deep and the water pressure will be no different than a tank that is a 1 foot cube. The length of the tank is were another factor comes in because of how the water pressure is distributed. Water wants to make its container round so it is trying to bow out the flat sides of a tank trying to make it round. The reason it is trying to make the container round is it is trying to equalize the pressure in all directions. So the long side of a tank will be taking more pressure than a short side of a tank because of surface area. The larger side has more square inches thus more PSI pressure on it. Now a round container like an above ground pool has no sides because it is round, all the pressure is equal all the way around the pool. This is why those above ground pools can be made of such weak material. Try to make a square pool of the same size (gallons & depth) with the same amount of material, not going to work out so well I am betting.

What I am trying to get at is the depth determines pressure and the length determines the "bow factor". In your case, the viewing windows are 4'x3' so I think you would be safe using those dimensions (length of tank 4', height of tank 3') in the available calculators to come up with a safe thickness of either acrylic or glass for your tank. I am a pretty over building kind of guy (check out my 200g build) and that is what I would go with.

These are just my opinions and how I interpret the data. Ultimately you will have to determine the best route you are comfortable with.
 
earthstudent;4617260; said:
What I am trying to get at is the depth determines pressure and the length determines the "bow factor".

^^ Exactly.

In a tank this size, all you need to worry about is depth to calculate your glass thickness.

The only real concern i'd have about an L shaped tank is the center where the 2 viewing windows come together. That joint has to be perfect, which seems tough to do on an inside corner. You might see if your glass/acrylic shop would bevel the edges 45 degrees for you to give you more surface area to 'glue' to.
 
This is what makes it so hard no cals. And i dont think anyone here has built a l shaped tank. From my searchs, i have found nothing that suits my build.

I want to really go 4x4 viewing windows so its one simple cut. I was thinking of getting 3/4 arcylic, i just see 1 inch too think maybe in further searching i will find the not to be the case.

The arcylic i will be using is the same stuff they make boat windows out of if that makes any difference.




IF ANYONE has any information on L shaped tanks please leave urls or links. If im the first to try we will see how goes.

I'm 17 and this will be in my room so I have no really worries of something hitting it. And anyone know how many gallons are in a cubic foot?
 
big project to take on at 17. i wish i could do something like that when i was that age...

and how was posting your age relevant to building the tank? lol.
 
I agree with Earthstudent that 1 1/4" is a safe minimum for acrylic (@ 36" Height).
As for "boat window" acrylic, you will need to determine for sure that it is cell cast acrylic as all boat windows are not the same and you are unlikely to find acrylic that thick in a boat window (unless you live next to the Hatteras factory).

There are 231 cubic inches in a gallon, I'll let you do the math. :)
 
I have seen something similar to an L shaped build on mfk before. Only it had three viewing windows. Instead of the 2 glass windows meeting in the middle, they stopped short and a diagonal piece was placed between them to join the two. I will try to locate it and put up the link. I hope you have plenty of building experience or know someone who does. That's a huge projetc and a very expensive one just for the wood, nails, acrylic and sealant. Not including plumbing, heating, filtration, upkeep, food for your monster fish, eletcric bill etc. You might think of doing a easy drip system to cut down on you having to do huge water changes; or invest in a few extra water heaters for the house. I doubt your equipped for 300+ gallon w.c. every week. A tank that huge will produce an immense amount of humidity that will lead to wood rote, warping, mold. you might invest in a few dehumidifiers and a generator to back up the tank in case of a power outage. You wouldn't want to loose 1000's of dollars of fish. Is your room in the basement or on the ground floor with reinforcements. That will be a heavy load. what is you current set up?
 
I wouldn't bevel the edges of the glass/acrylic. I would just have a support hold the corner diagonally.
 
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