L190 And L191 Diffrence?

[Karl K]

Agreed. If you are feeding high protein food, your Royals could develop bloat. Even some Hypans, which are carnivorous plecos, can have problems in discus tanks. L134 are great for discus tanks as they are small, striking (black and white) and like the warmer temps (above 80s F). However, if you feed a lot of beef heart to your discus, L134s can die of bloat. For more info, on planetcatfish, look up "discus apistomaster l134".

I was planning to feed stendkers food called "Good Heart" apparently theres a little bit of everything in there. But maybe ill feed Grandular
The reason i really liked the L190, L191 is the size.. I have always enjoyed the large plecos. Are there any of the larger plecos that would do good with Discus?

Ill look at all the smaller species you guys posted too

Thanks man

 

[Karl K]

Besides the size difference(which I would take with a grain of salt as PC won't change a maximum size unless it's extremely well documented) they look very different as adults.

As juveniles 191 has "a windowed or clear caudal fin and white tips to the fins" as well as the dull eyes that they get their name from. As adults they lose their intricate pattern and become gray with longitudal stripes. Check the image of the adult and you'll see what I mean.

As an adult 190's pattern gets more intricate and in my opinion is the more attractive of the two. Again just check the adult pics of both and you'll see how different they become.

I'd also be hesitant about adding them to a discus tank due to their high waste output and the discus need for good water quality. That plus some pleco's have been known to suck on fish and a discus is a slow moving target. If you do try though make sure you've got wood for the panaques as it's intergral to their survival and is an often overlooked thing that isn't mentioned to novices who wish to keep them.

The L190's has some wonderful interopercular spines

 

[koltsixx]

Thank you very much. I will make sure that i have alot of drift and bogwood.
I have in 7 years kept malawi and tanganyika cichlids, so i wouldnt call my self new with fish, tho im new with all these South Amercian species, and its great to be able to get help from you guys. Id also just ask what you think is the normal adult size for both species, and at what age they will be when they are that size. Thanks again man.

No problem man. By the way I didn't call you new to fishkeeping I said as a novice in keeping Panaques, info someone more experienced often forgets to share is their need of driftwood. As for adult size I've never kept any till full grown, always got tired of their poop all over the place and would wind up selling them. Largest size I've ever personally kept one was to 8 inches and it takes forever for them to grow.

I wasnt thinking that i was getting some sort of a magic cleaning master fish, i just wanted a fish that could eat the food the fell past the discus down to the bottom of the tank

I'll take a look at the Hypancistrust I also though about putting my little group of S.Eupterus down there.. But theyr supposed to be a little agressive, even tho i have never seen any agression from them to any of my other fish, whats you guys input on that?

Unfortunately Royals wouldn't be able to live on the scraps, they'd actually need you dedicated feeding them. Some plecos can take more protein or meat based food then others and are better scavengers, Panaques aren't one of them. They need a large part of their diet to be green based on top of the wood. I supplemented their diet with peas, cucumbers and sweet potatoes just to name a few food which doesn't include algae discs which was the staple of those that I kept diet.

I didn't know you where looking for a scavenger, I thought you just wanted an attractive big pleco to add to the beauty of the discus tank. If you try to maintain them as scavengers they'll waste away slowly with you never knowing their starving till the day they actually die.

If you decide to keep a Royal just be sure you feed them a dedicated diet such as I suggested and get another fish for the scrap removal and be ready to see a lot of long stringy poop and sawdust that needs to be cleaned regularly. Just understand that they're a fish that requires a lot of dedication and you'll be good.

 

[Aquanero]

IMO if you have discus and want a pleco go with either a Panaqolus maccus and or one of the Ancistrus sp. (bristlenose). I have kept both sucessfully for years with Discus and wild angle fish. A large growing pleco is not suiteable for a Discus tank IME.

 

[Karl K]

No problem man. By the way I didn't call you new to fishkeeping I said as a novice in keeping Panaques, info someone more experienced often forgets to share is their need of driftwood. As for adult size I've never kept any till full grown, always got tired of their poop all over the place and would wind up selling them. Largest size I've ever personally kept one was to 8 inches and it takes forever for them to grow.


Unfortunately Royals wouldn't be able to live on the scraps, they'd actually need you dedicated feeding them. Some plecos can take more protein or meat based food then others and are better scavengers, Panaques aren't one of them. They need a large part of their diet to be green based on top of the wood. I supplemented their diet with peas, cucumbers and sweet potatoes just to name a few food which doesn't include algae discs which was the staple of those that I kept diet.

I didn't know you where looking for a scavenger, I thought you just wanted an attractive big pleco to add to the beauty of the discus tank. If you try to maintain them as scavengers they'll waste away slowly with you never knowing their starving till the day they actually die.

If you decide to keep a Royal just be sure you feed them a dedicated diet such as I suggested and get another fish for the scrap removal and be ready to see a lot of long stringy poop and sawdust that needs to be cleaned regularly. Just understand that they're a fish that requires a lot of dedication and you'll be good.

I am really just looking for and attractive big pleco, but ofcourse if would be a bonus if it kept the bottom of the tank clean from left overs I know im supposed to feed them too, and they cant just live of algae

 

[Joao M]

Have you considered an Agamyxis?

 

[Karl K]

No problem man. By the way I didn't call you new to fishkeeping I said as a novice in keeping Panaques, info someone more experienced often forgets to share is their need of driftwood. As for adult size I've never kept any till full grown, always got tired of their poop all over the place and would wind up selling them. Largest size I've ever personally kept one was to 8 inches and it takes forever for them to grow.


Unfortunately Royals wouldn't be able to live on the scraps, they'd actually need you dedicated feeding them. Some plecos can take more protein or meat based food then others and are better scavengers, Panaques aren't one of them. They need a large part of their diet to be green based on top of the wood. I supplemented their diet with peas, cucumbers and sweet potatoes just to name a few food which doesn't include algae discs which was the staple of those that I kept diet.

I didn't know you where looking for a scavenger, I thought you just wanted an attractive big pleco to add to the beauty of the discus tank. If you try to maintain them as scavengers they'll waste away slowly with you never knowing their starving till the day they actually die.

If you decide to keep a Royal just be sure you feed them a dedicated diet such as I suggested and get another fish for the scrap removal and be ready to see a lot of long stringy poop and sawdust that needs to be cleaned regularly. Just understand that they're a fish that requires a lot of dedication and you'll be good.

Do you think the S.Eupterus would be to aggressive for the Discus? I thinking they might even tho i have never seen them show any kind of aggression really.

 

[koltsixx]

Do you think the S.Eupterus would be to aggressive for the Discus? I thinking they might even tho i have never seen them show any kind of aggression really.

I've never kept Discus myself but from my understanding they don't like quick abrupt movements so Eupterus probably wouldn't be a good match either even without considering aggression.

Some of the other plecos mentioned would be a better match then a large Panaque and definitely better then the Eupterus in my opinion. Tom/Aquanero is someone who I have a lot of respect for when it comes to knowledge and has actual experience with the comm's he suggesting, so I'd give what he says some serious consideration. He's also very generous when it comes to advice and I'm sure if you get a back and forth going with him he'll help you find the perfect pleco for your tank. That's not to say I mind helping you, it's just I know about Royals and not so much Discus and think he might be better at advising you about your proposed comm.

 

[WarrendaFish]

I keep several pleco species with my discus small and large. But will have to be moved out of the discus tank eventually due to the higher temperatures. just last week I moved two gold nuggets and a 191 from my 125 planted discus to a different tank. The were showing less than normal behavior for more than a day so I decided to move them.

My 191 I've had for about 8 months or so and has grown about 2" very sexy as a juvie IMO

In his new home



In the discus tank a few months ago



A larger sexy Pleco I've kept with my discus for a while



Also I've never had any problems with Plecos eating other tank mates slime coats. Discus or otherwise.

I also agree about bristlenose being excellent tank mates
And able to tolerate the higher temps. Much more suitable tank mates IMO.

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[Karl K]

IMO if you have discus and want a pleco go with either a Panaqolus maccus and or one of the Ancistrus sp. (bristlenose). I have kept both sucessfully for years with Discus and wild angle fish. A large growing pleco is not suiteable for a Discus tank IME.

Ok, thanks