Largest NTT in big trouble, any ideas?

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It's always hard to hear about someone's fish dying and nobody can pinpoint why.. and even worse when it's a Dat. Sorry man, keep going and hopefully something like this doesn't happen again. Nice looking NTT btw I'm sure he had a good life with you.
 
Damn bro, I'm really, really sorry to hear that. I've always loved Thin Bars and it's a real tragedy that you lost your biggest one.
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The filtration is just extra. I have a 70gal sump on a 200 gal tank cycling about 7 times an hour.
I know NTTs are supposed to be fragile, but that's when they're young. Didn't know about big like that one. I had it for 3 years.
The RTG died of shock when we moved house. It freaked out when the removal guys came and shifted all the furniture. It start losing slim coat and panting then 5 hours later it was dead!! Like i say if i'm guessing i think it ate a stone, or a bit of fish bone got stuck and damaged its guts. It couldn't swim and its belly was floating up, so it was probably full of gas. Not nice for the last 30 minutes. It was going mental, jumping out the water and swimming erratically upside down.
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I personally think your right with it might being a bone. Sometimes things just don't go down right and pass thru the intestinal tract the wrong way. Plus some of the problems that come with feeding small parts of larger fish imo are that the bones are denser and longer than the fish is used to eating. Smaller fish bones are probably pretty pulverized in the mouth and throat well before reaching the sensitive digestive tract. While larger bones from ie: a filet bone may be too long and odd shaped that when swallowed puncture the intestines. It was pointed out they eat whole fish in the wild, but I'm betting never one that's twice it's size. Also I think over feeding can also cause a similar problem with intestines becoming impacted and with large amounts of gas being produced at one time throwing off the fishes natural balance.
 
Thanks to all it was a bit stressing at the time because it's never nice to watch.
I agree with the smaller pieces of bigger fish thing TBH.
I don't buy the SDS thing in larger fish, i mean generally all death when it comes is sudden isn't it?
Fish was showing symptoms of excessive gas in gut with a swollen anus, or swim bladder problems. Either way it had symptoms.
 
I always disliked the nomenclature sudden death syndrome. I think it just makes people hesitant about keeping certain fish and more likely not to look for a reason why fish with "sudden death syndrome" die. I think it just gets written off and that's why the mystery remains a mystery no one pays real attention they just kind of accept it as a inevitability. I lost a Aramtus and it was fustrating had him for almost 2 years. When he died it wasn't from sudden death it was definitely from some kind of swim bladder disorder. He died in a similar way to your Thin Bar, however I believe it was caused by over-eating. I believe due to overfeeding(accident he was by far the most adept and aggresive predator in the tank and Bogarted the food) he actually stuffed his stomach so much he crushed his swim bladder making it impossible for him to use it properly. Or the excessive gas in the ingested fish or due to the digestion of the other fish severely hampered his ability to control his buoyoncy. At least that's what I'm thinking happened. He looked bloated and couldn't control his buoyoncy so I don't think it was a coincidence.
 
I Think SDS is something they carry with them from wild, like gill flukes or something. In LFS it manifests, then by the time you get the thinbar home it's already too late.
The guy i buy my NTTs from here in BKK always has them in treated tanks, he told me the are put in treated tanks the day they are caught and stay in them until they are sold.

Fillet Bone..........I cut the fillet up so the bone fragments were small. However the reason i think bone is because i noted how sharp they were, i also thought about it being too dense for the Dat to digest. Like i say i thought i removed it all but you know how it is when you get home late from work. Over eating might be the cause as well, but i usually leave a least a day in between feeds now for bigger fish. Still a dam sight more that they would get in the wild though.
Crayfish......I'm not sure there are any in the Mekhong, i presume there will be but I cant easily google any. i'd be surprised if it's high up on the NTTs menu if there are. They're more than likely to go for fresh water shrimp and small fish. Fresh water shrimp grow to a fare size though, but it's like any other fish, it's unlikely to attack something that will harm it or is too big to eat.
 
Sorry to see this again. My NTT lip no long ago and it is exactly the same size as yours. It is hard to believe they really are so fragile. Sorry to hear that.
 
Might be bone in throaght like you said. One of my albino buenos aires tetras swam erratically like this, its eyes swole up and it started gasping till it eventually died. After doing autopsy I saw a bee stinger , from a bee I gave it the night before, lodged in its swollen throaght. Lesson learned, rather stick to blood worms for a treat next time
 
sux that it happened sorry, but i guess there is something that can always be learned from these incidents so thanks for posting i have been thinking of getting fillets to feed my dats but now i think i will avoid them if they can eat the fish whole they wont get the fish.
 
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