10 yrs ago MFK had less idiotic members, than they do today.
Normal growth pattern I suppose.
Normal growth pattern I suppose.
Lets talk about a hot topic "Appropriate tank size for ____"
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Don't beat around the bush R.D., tell us how you really feel
Yeah that person was me.You really need to check your facts before you go spouting your mouth off.
I'd argue that it also depends where in the world you live...
Here in Japan where houses on average are quite a bit smaller than the states, tanks too are smaller and ppl over here keep big fish in said tanks.
As an example, the minimum tank size for a common wolf is 90x45x45 whereas in the states, it's considerably bigger...
Here in Japan where houses on average are quite a bit smaller than the states, tanks too are smaller and ppl over here keep big fish in said tanks.
As an example, the minimum tank size for a common wolf is 90x45x45 whereas in the states, it's considerably bigger...
In another thread you were recommending somebody to keep a buttikoferi in a 110 gallon tank.These fish are capable of reaching 16 to 18 inches with massive bulk. In my opinion they should be kept in a tank twice that size minimum. You say that this philosophy suggests we should not keep fish in tanks at all?
I say people like you that give these fish bare minimum are the very people attracting the attention of animal rights groups wanting us not to keep fish at all.
It's people like you that give these people ammunition.
For fish like those in the videos above, a 180 or 220 is no where near overkill. I can't understand why someone would think it is. I also can't understand why a 75 is deemed acceptable by some either.
Then I think scale should be considered. There is a fish for every size tank.
A fish trapped in Tokyo feels no different to a fish trapped in new York or london.
Hello; First I like the approach the OP took in this thread. Not dictating a set of tank and fish sizes and then daring anyone to disagree on pain of being labeled "cruel" and even worse. Instead a reasoned approach with good examples followed by a general questioning and asking for opinions.
Next some good responses and the arguments are not too harsh yet. Say a 2 on a scale of 10.
My speculation is there will always be some who overload tanks. Even if someone comes up with a perfect formula for gauging fish to tank size, not all will use it.
Not sure how effective the " shaming technique" works. The telling some one they are a low life if they put an Oscar/ RTC/ large mouth bass in anything less than _ _ _ gallons (each having heir own preferred tank size in mind).
I especially wonder where the notion of how adding a whole bunch of mechanical filtration seems to mean that a tank can be overstocked.
Lastly here is my take about what is a good fit between fish and tank size. That being when the power goes out the fish can live for several days without doing anything. No battery air pumps and such. I cheat by not feeding during a power outage.
Next some good responses and the arguments are not too harsh yet. Say a 2 on a scale of 10.
My speculation is there will always be some who overload tanks. Even if someone comes up with a perfect formula for gauging fish to tank size, not all will use it.
Not sure how effective the " shaming technique" works. The telling some one they are a low life if they put an Oscar/ RTC/ large mouth bass in anything less than _ _ _ gallons (each having heir own preferred tank size in mind).
I especially wonder where the notion of how adding a whole bunch of mechanical filtration seems to mean that a tank can be overstocked.
Lastly here is my take about what is a good fit between fish and tank size. That being when the power goes out the fish can live for several days without doing anything. No battery air pumps and such. I cheat by not feeding during a power outage.
They are still living creatures that do not need to bump into each other every 2 seconds. Unlike humans when we feel crowded we just move somewhere else. Fish don't have that option in a tank.
That's because most of these people only have a 55-180 gallon tank and the Oscars stop growing early. Go to a zoo or public aquarium, the fish there tend to be alot bigger.
I've never seen a 17 inch Oscar at a fish store or someone's house but I've seen plenty of 17 inch Oscars at public aquariums.
Hello; I agree. Another thing to consider is the effect overcrowding may have. I do not know if this is correct but it makes sense. There is the notion that fish secrete into the water in addition to digestive excretions. Dominance chemicals, stress chemicals, reproduction chemicals and likely others.
You seem to have a very strong opinion on this topic. So to set a good example how about you like your setups you currently have running and what stock / size of fish are in them. Let others see how its done right
We can then agree or disagree and share why. like a case study
