Let's Talk Poop

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It most definitely does! Thank you!

I've read and enjoyed your comments on this board and every time I've noticed your log on name I've wondered if it was a reference to a US President and then I recall that political conversations are verboten and so have never asked. I have assumed it's probably not though.
I appreciate your response.

I just want to clarify that my name in this site has absolutely no relation with any presidents or ex presidents or any political anything. It happens to be my initials, and I use that monicker much before the absolutely ridiculedness that makes reference to a president, of which I had no idea.
Now that I know, I am not going to change my name, because for one, it is my name. I don’t like politics, I don’t like politicians, and don’t bring politics where they don’t belong. Thank you for making me think about this, as I had no idea. This is a f—ckd up world and these are exactly the things I dislike about it. Other than that, I considered myself objective and fairly chill.
 
And of course you could also add that great minds think alike! Lol.
Great Mind Moments must be enjoyed. Especially given the time differentials.

As to the poop. My big cichlids consistently remind me of what they are eating. The Hikari Chichlid pellets look pretty much the same coming out as going in.
But I find no matter the feed my fish eat, the mulm in the filter is always the same. I don't call it poop, because it isn't. It's fiberous, slimy, globular brown stuff which never really smells that bad. I've no evidence, but have always believed it to be the remains of generations of bacteria or diatomaceous protozoan carcasses accumulated into an eventually impassable mat.
If scraped and dehydrated I'm sure it's been pounds removed over the years but is it really bad? I take it out. I use it for the plants. I feel the water stays clearer longer when it's removed. But, it exists there in the filters a long time, water having passed through it many thousands of times. Surely it has become pollutant free and reduced to just fiber by the time I remove it?
I believe most of the bad stuff has dissolved into the water. So I do water changes. Yes, and remove the mulm too.
 
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Those of us who have been in the hobby long enough remember the high esteem in which "mulm" was once held. Sensitive fish could only be maintained in tanks with a thick smear of mulm on the bottom. The smallest of egglayer fry needed mulm to provide them with microscopic food in their first days of free-swimming life. Mulm concealed and coddled eggs; it added magical elements to raw water that transformed it from a simple sterile liquid into a mystical almost-living elixir that kept fish healthy.

No, it doesn't smell bad...and it is loaded with countless microbes that might feed fish or might infect them. It doesn't terrify me, but I sure as hell don't encourage it (as we once did) and in fact I try to minimize it to the best of my abilities. In polite conversation, or in writing, I would likely call it "sludge"...but in the secret confines of my mind, or when in discourse with other like-minded heathens...it's s**t. Not "poop", which imparts a cutesy-poo politeness to it...not "mulm", which gives it an old-timey nostalgic appeal...it's s**t, plain and simple.

Sure, it's got other goodies in it; plenty of degraded plant matter, probably shed scales and atmospheric dust and dead bacteria and stuff...but let's face it, its single largest constituent is piscine fecal matter, i.e. fish s**t. Once it sits long enough, much of it has dissolved into the water, leaving the remainder as the more-or-less inert harmless brown goo we all know and...tolerate...but, hey, let's be honest: it's still s**t. Not fresh s**t, to be sure...but still s**t.

If my dog leaves a turd in some far corner of my yard, one that escapes my immediate notice and is baked by the sun and mummified by the wind...it may be more or less odourless, and it may be the easiest type of turd to flick cleanly into the collection bucket...but it's still s**t.

The rich black or brown soil that gardeners worship, and which covers the land areas of the planet and allows for the growth of plants, consists largely of worm "castings"; that's another example of people being afraid to call something what it truly is: s**t, in this case, worm s**t. People buy s**t by the bag or by the truckload, calling it castings or manure or whatever; the Toronto Zoo does a thriving business in ZooPoo, which is sold in small bags to be used for houseplants...but it's all a semantic game. It's all s**t.

S**t...or whatever you want to call it...is stuff that is cast out from the body of a living critter. It's stuff that the body needs to get rid of. It's neither necessary nor even desirable. It's gotta go.

So, cleaning it out of a fish tank before it has a chance to leach out and dissolve many of the things that make it undesirable seems like the logical course of action to me. I make sure I have an army of beneficial bacteria who actually find the stuff useful, and I rely upon them to do their jobs, but I want a filter or pre-filter that I can get at easily and clean/change quickly enough that I can do it every day. The bacteria can fight over the rest. :)
 
Alrightee !

Let's talk some s**t !

So...

- Most are running sumps

- Sumps are set up w/ pre filters or at least should be

- Not much love for cans in this joint

And as to your Toronto ZooPoo... in the US we have something similar but we use it as a gift for someone we uh, well, have put on our s**t list:

 
And as to your Toronto ZooPoo... in the US we have something similar but we use it as a gift for someone we uh, well, have put on our s**t list:


That is outstanding! The entrepreneurial spirit is alive and well.

Cow poop and elephant poop are both pretty benign, actually. But gorilla poop?!?!? Wow!

The thing is...gorilla poop is probably pretty similar to that of any other large primate...which means that instead of paying for it, it could be sourced...hmmm...locally?

Wow...I really am cheap...:)


jjohnwm jjohnwm
Hilarious, I'm still laughing.

Hopefully only at the terminology. Aside from that, I meant all of it seriously. I really do want that stuff out of my tank as soon as humanly possible, rather than just hiding it in canisters while it slooooowly degrades into the water.
 
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